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gunsnewing
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5/12/2005  5:49 PM
Posted by tkf:

I trust your assesment on splitter Briggs, we could sure use a talented big, I wonder if Green is still around, do you want splitter still?

funny no one trusted my assessments of Splitter and Green when I was the only one talking about them months ago and everyone wanted to draft Martynas, Petro and Warrick too high but its ok lol

good post Briggs. I can't wait to see one of these guys on the Knicks!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 05/12/2005 17:50:45]
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5/12/2005  5:59 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by DarkKnicks:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by DarkKnicks:

BRIGGS, you are totally overreacting in my opinion. You watched the other game in which he played like crap and you said he was not a useful player. Then I told you that he usually doesn't play that bad. Now, you think he is the next Amare because he had a good game (not even a great one).
Ok, he's agile, but just like Gasol is, but his offensive game is a joke compared to Gasol's, and his defense is not something that we are going to be happy about. I'm going to send all of you my advice: if we picked him with our first pick, we are going to regret it unless he plays another year here, and even with this happening, maybe he won't live up to the expectation we have on him.
He is improving, but he is not there yet and we don't know if he'll ever be a great player in our league, not just in the NBA. Do you think is worth the risk?? Because if he becomes another Lampe (something that will probably happen if he gets drafted this year and obviously goes to the end of the bench) we will have more lottery years to come.
I don't really know what have you seen so good in him to be so excited about getting him. You just want him because he is agile??

Amare is a once every ten years type of player, I dont put anyone in his category. This is a much different player than Lampe. This player has a strong foundation and is much more agile than Lampe, not even close. This is why he will be able to rebound and defend at a high level right away, and at 7+ 240 with long arms, it's just what the doctor ordered for the Knicks. He showed signs of flashy offensive moves and touch, although the ir main players Calderon and especially Scola[who will be a Spur next year] get the majority of touches. I would be a farthing that once Scola is gone, Splitter will avergae in the 20s every game as the starting 4 next year, he will be a 20-10 guy. This is a foundation player, this is a building block player. You cant teach people to be 7+ foot and agile, but you can teach them nuisances of the game. I see this guy as someone who can be a 16-18/12/2 50% player in this league from the 5, and do things that boxscores dont see, namely DEFENSE and intensity.


Splitter
Robinson
Badsen or Mensah
No, BRIGGS, you assume that he will be a 20/10 player because of what you have seen him play in 20 minutes per game, and you know that this game does not go this way.
I have the feeling that you just like him because he is tall (by they way, he is 6'11 -and not growing- and he is VERY thin) and he can run the floor. You don't evaluate his inteligence, his post moves and his defense, and believe me: you CAN'T teach that to a player AFTER he gets to the NBA. These are basketball fundamentals. Anyway, that's the most popular idea today that you like. To be an athlete is more important to become a good basketball player, while being inteligent, having post moves and good attitude is not (ex:Mike Sweetney).

Oh no, no. First off, I was critical of his performance, especially in the q4. No this is a guy who is DEFINTELY 7ft+ and can alter games defensively in the paint as he did at the Euro final. From what I saw, this kid will be a great rebounder,11-12 pe 40 minutes a very solid shot blocker--perhaps 2.5 per 40 minutes and will be able to score well in a year or two 15-17 or so in 40 minutes from the 5 position. What I like about him at the 5 is not only is he7+, but he's agile and plays right at the basket. No, you can improve and teach offense, but you cannot teach 7+ agile, plays with intenisty--that is natural and we dont have it. This kid is a smart player--not as athletic as a Dalembart, but similar in many ways, but this kid is much smarter with way more potential, IMHO. His frame will allow him to carry 250+ easy.

I think Taft has more upside than that. Hopefully he and Green will be around if not then I would love to see my boy Tiago wearing orange and blue!
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5/13/2005  12:11 PM
Briggs, what do you think of this assesment of Splitter from the Final Four, not to mention the contract problems:

Tiago Splitter 6-11 240 PF Tau Vitoria 1985

Scored zero points in the first game, and had 6 pts and 4 rebounds in 24 minutes. Vujcic was able to use his size and experience against him and finished with 13 and 4 with 7 assists.

Splitter had a decent showing over the two games, despite not putting up much for points and rebounds. His toughness was there, and he moves well. He is still very raw offensively, but appears to have good strength and toughness inside.

Splitter has no buyout with the team this year, and with the imminent departure of Luis Scola, it's likely that Tau will not allow Splitter to leave this season. If he is a top 10 pick, it's possible he would be able to afford the determined buyout. Otherwise it's highly unlikely. Due to being raw and his contract situation, scouts feel it's most likely he'll end up pulling out of this draft and being a lottery pick in 2006.
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5/13/2005  12:14 PM
Well, BRIGGS, ok, that's your opinion although I don't agree.
But just one more thing (again), he is OFICIALLY 6'11 or 2,10. Any other height that you have read is FALSE. I will tell you about his performance during the Spanish play-offs.
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5/13/2005  12:30 PM
according to Draft City, Splitter's buy out is $1 million.

http://www.draftcity.com/dcdaily.php?p=315


But I have to think that Zeke isn't interested since he didn't go scout the Final Four and apparently is visiting with Marbury in LA.
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5/13/2005  12:46 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

Briggs, what do you think of this assesment of Splitter from the Final Four, not to mention the contract problems:

Tiago Splitter 6-11 240 PF Tau Vitoria 1985

Scored zero points in the first game, and had 6 pts and 4 rebounds in 24 minutes. Vujcic was able to use his size and experience against him and finished with 13 and 4 with 7 assists.

Splitter had a decent showing over the two games, despite not putting up much for points and rebounds. His toughness was there, and he moves well. He is still very raw offensively, but appears to have good strength and toughness inside.

Splitter has no buyout with the team this year, and with the imminent departure of Luis Scola, it's likely that Tau will not allow Splitter to leave this season. If he is a top 10 pick, it's possible he would be able to afford the determined buyout. Otherwise it's highly unlikely. Due to being raw and his contract situation, scouts feel it's most likely he'll end up pulling out of this draft and being a lottery pick in 2006.


somewhat I agree with. I said what he would bring to the Knicks in year 1 is strong pivot defense which we have none. I would say that the point dif with him in the game and out was quite large. He is an example of a good player that dos things that dont equate to stats. I dont expect him to be a fully developed two way player for two years, yet his defense and size-listed at 6-11 some places 7-0 other places, appeasr to be close to 7-1 imho. If we had a guy who could help change the game a bit on the D, was able to score off easy baskets via Marbury penetrations, we would be a better basketball team. Maybe something like what Biendrins gave GS.
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5/13/2005  1:14 PM
If we had a guy who could help change the game a bit on the D, was able to score off easy baskets via Marbury penetrations, we would be a better basketball team. Maybe something like what Biendrins gave GS.

We had half that with Nazr.
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5/13/2005  1:19 PM
I would be happy to draft Splitter and put Taft on the back burner only if we are sure we can get Turiaf or Simien at the bottom of the first round. I love how Turiaf is compared to another Oak, he brings us exactly what Sweets doesn't-Intensity, and a motor. Plus he doesn't look like you will have to roll him up the court in the 4th.

I still think we should trade KT and a contract or Sweets for a mid round pick. I would even consider Sweets and KT and a contract for a contract and a high pick. Maybe we can focus a package of Hardaway and Sweets for Ratliff, Patterson and the 5?
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watched replay of Tau Maccabi for hours last night

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