I agree with you TMS totally, but the team is already in a pretty deep whole, so besides the fan and media impatience, I see no reason why the Knicks should pass up on this guy. However, that fan and media thing is big. There is no way Isiah drafts this kid, as much as I would love to have him.

Posted by TMS:

i would actually be in agreement w/Isiah if he were to take the more sure thing to be honest...taking a kid that high would not be a wise investment unless he were an absolute stud like Kobe Bryant was in HS & a pretty much can't miss in the NBA.

i would not pass on the 7 footer. Zeke said 2-3 years. Reality is anyone at 8 could bust, warwick, Granger, Webster. I feel at 7-1 290 with the offensive game he has shown, at worst you will get a serious role player, and at best a franchise C. I'll do the math there, Ill go with the C. If I bust the pick, I bust it.

I haven't seen this kid play too much (only saw him in the McDonalds game where he looked good) but I'll go with BRIGGS on this one because he has been talking about him for awhile. If he really does have the potential to be a franchise center, in the best interest of the franchise I think you would have to draft him at 8. Would Isiah do that? I'm not sure. For the best interest of Isiah, it would be more beneficial to draft someone that can come in and have an impact immediately. Isiah says that this will take 3 years and that there will be a lot of dirty work, if he really belives that then I think he would have to draft Andrew at that spot. I'm not convinced that Isiah will do that however, I could definitely see him trying to only draft someone who will make an impact in his rookie year.

what 17-18 year old bigman has come into the NBA & had an immediate impact?

KT averaged a double double this year...i don't see any way that any 17 year old is going to come in here & put up those #'s regardless of the fact that KT is not really an impact player...is this kid Bynum on the level as a Dwight Howard?...

personally, i don't see Isiah doing it, & i don't see Knicks fans being willing to put up w/a 17 year old kid learning the ropes for the next 3 years while the team stinks unless we're talking about a can't miss prospect here (regardless of what some of you are saying that you'd be willing to be patient)...you're going to see posts bashing Isiah like there's no tomorrow if a guy like Warrick comes in next year & helps a team like NJ, BOS or PHI while dunking all over Knicks players everytime they come into the garden.

that's just how i see it.

[Edited by - TMS on 05/09/2005 17:42:56]

Posted by TMS:

what 17-18 year old bigman has come into the NBA & had an immediate impact?

Moses Malone, Amare Stoudemire, Dwight Howard etc...

I like Bynum's skills, but he is actually only 17 and will only be 17 when the season starts, would be the youngest player all time in the nBA.

But what you said is what's important. You seem to need to be gratified by pick 8 on day 1. It's not pick 1-2-3, its pick 8. I think that Andrew should go to uconn and stay there for 2 years. But IF these rumors are true, if he does indeed come out for this draft, he has shown enough, IMHO, already with his ENORMOUS frame to be taken 8th. I would say he may not play next year, more for the 06 season where he can be brought in as a 24 minute back up C and transitioned into a starter by year 3. By year 3 he will be 20. If he went to uconn for 2 years, from what I have seen, from what I know, there is a very reasonable probability that he would be pick 1 that year. its not that hes 7-1 290, its the skills with the size. he needs a full year of body maturing, strength and conditioning at the highest level. What to eat, 2 a day training sessions, continue on with fundamental training of skills. He's literally to big to pass on. Hakim warrick could be a nice player,or could be a 190 pound bust.

This is pre-mature, this is a pretty big rumor, but let' see him apply and stay in then we can talk. But if he did, well, he would be to tempting to pass on IMHO.

I think it is possible to get Hakim around 16-24, I doubt Bynum would last past 13.

Posted by TMS:

KT averaged a double double this year...
[Edited by - TMS on 05/09/2005 17:42:56]

Yes, and while averaging that vaunted double double he allowed that no-name PF from the new franchise from Timbuktu to post a career high by lighting us up for 25 & 15. You feel he's an alltime Knick defensive player and yada yada yada. That's fine.

My opinion is that Bynum can be better in his first year with the Knicks....that's how I feel.
New York City is patient enough (when it has no other option) to see how a young big like that will pan out compared to eating the drivel we've been choking on over the last 5 years. If you need an example just look at...Ariza.

Posted by TMS:

Amare Stoudamire was 20 his rookie season...if you guys think 2-3 years is insignificant at that stage of development you're kidding yourselves...like i said, Knick fans aren't going to be patient for some kid to learn how to play for the next 3-4 years.

Moses Malone? Kevin Garnett? is this kid Bynum on that level? then HELL, i say take him...i didn't know he was that good...i wonder why i haven't heard anything about him other than on this message board?

[Edited by - TMS on 05/09/2005 17:53:23]

I don't think he's as good as those guys, but you're talking about hall of famers there so its not really fair to compare. But it is possible for a young big man to have a good rookie season. And its certainly possible that this kid has a tremendous ceiling and could go very far. BRIGGS has mentioned this guy a lot, and I'm pretty sure he's well connected on UConn and follows those Rivals recruiting reports so I'll trust his opinion on this one.

Posted by JUNKMEIN:

Posted by TMS:

KT averaged a double double this year...
[Edited by - TMS on 05/09/2005 17:42:56]

Yes, and while averaging that vaunted double double he allowed that no-name PF from the new franchise from Timbuktu to post a career high by lighting us up for 25 & 15. You feel he's an alltime Knick defensive player and yada yada yada. That's fine.

My opinion is that Bynum can be better in his first year with the Knicks....that's how I feel.
New York City is patient enough (when it has no other option) to see how a young big like that will pan out compared to eating the drivel we've been choking on over the last 5 years. If you need an example just look at...Ariza.

Posted - 05/09/2005 : 17:59:10

how about reading what i wrote instead of taking a part of it & misrepresenting my points like that? did i say KT was an impact player? i don't think i did...try again.

As for Ariza, the kid was taken w/a 2nd ROUND PICK...sorta different than a player who's taken w/a #8 lottery pick, wouldn't ya say? you think if Mike Sweetney doesn't show something NEXT YEAR that Knick fans won't start calling him a bust? don't be naive.

KT averaged a double double this year...i don't see any way that any 17 year old is going to come in here & put up those #'s regardless of the fact that KT is not really an impact player...is this kid Bynum on the level as a Dwight Howard?...

personally, i don't see Isiah doing it, & i don't see Knicks fans being willing to put up w/a 17 year old kid learning the ropes for the next 3 years while the team stinks unless we're talking about a can't miss prospect here (regardless of what some of you are saying that you'd be willing to be patient)...you're going to see posts bashing Isiah like there's no tomorrow if a guy like Warrick comes in next year & helps a team like NJ, BOS or PHI while dunking all over Knicks players everytime they come into the garden.

that's just how i see it.

[Edited by - TMS on 05/09/2005 17:42:56]

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