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Bonn1997
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5/5/2005  2:28 PM
If the plan is to free up cap space he hasnt done a great job yet.
I could assure you that that's not the plan
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5/5/2005  2:30 PM
He has a coach who doesnt play young players
We all want Ariza to get a lot minutes. But these comments are ironic. My friend here in Toronto says he wishes their #8 pick from last year could get as many minutes as our #43 pick!

Sure he has draft pics, coming from teams who win so they will be higher picks - odds of getting talent, not so good.
The picks vary throughout the 1st rd draft. One is likely #8 this year; one is #30; one could be anywhere from 20 to 30 next year depending on Duncan's health; and one I think is our own lottery-protected pick next year. It's not really accurate to say the picks he's alluding to are only late 1st rd picks; they're spread throughout the 1st round.

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5/5/2005  3:09 PM
so basically SAS didnt ask him any real questions that required anything short of a totally canned response.

Why didnt Ariza play more or Butler/Bruno play at all when the Knicks were completely eliminated. Wouldnt taking a closer look at them help you evaluate for the future?
You talk about expiring contracts. You gave up 2 in Moochie and Vin as well as a 2nd round pick for Mo Taylor. What does Mo Taylor bring to a roster that already has Rose, JYD, KT and Sweetney?
You have done some scouting in Europe... talk about a couple of guys that raised your eyebrows.

That interview sucked. Smith should have just faxed him the questions so Isiah could have his traveling secretary insert some canned responses.
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5/5/2005  3:15 PM
i agree...the interview was about as vanilla as what you'd find on a YES postgame show.
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5/5/2005  4:14 PM
Bah! Yeah, bright future, whatever! If he at least had a plan I could agree... I agree, the interview sucked! Nothing new.
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5/5/2005  4:28 PM
If the NBA was like the NFL or MLB, Isiah would be doing a decent job because acquring depth can help you win. In the NBA you need a franchise big man, which are most often acquired with very high draft picks or free agent signings.

Isiah allowed or ordered his coach to mess up this year's first round pick by playing veterans, even if they were injured, and he doesn't have cap room to sign a top free agent. So unless an Amare type falls to 8, which is highly unlikely, Isiah has become Layden with more charm. That's why Phil will never come here.
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5/5/2005  5:00 PM
I have trouble making comments on the Knicks because I just don't understand the Knicks.
if you consider we have
Malik Rose
Kurt Thomas
Mike Sweetney
JYD
Ariza
MO Taylor
Tim Thomas
Jackie Butler

for basically 2 1/2 positions, who gets PT where? Is it going to be the same team, with the same concept of Herb not willing to use the younger players we bring in? there is no doubt that he started cutting Ariza's time and didnt play Butler 2 minutes--so what are the odds of him using rookies? and if so, which 6-8 mm$ player sits?
I do know we have only 2 Gs and really no C. We do NOT have a particularly young team do we? I mean the guys we acquired this year are 30s

its just very very confusing. like I said when we got Marbury, we entered the quagmire, and really I have no idea how long it will take to drag us out. we have good depth at the F positions, although its mostly undersized

isiah contradicts himself horribly

the team is dependant on Crawford improving and doing something about back up Gs and something that is taller than 6-8 in the middle.

see our season get go up in smoke with one injury to the backcourt/we know that, so we must address this, its almost more vital to find more quality Gs than some dufus big man. i dont know man, i just hope we win the lottery, but then that will turn into a frikin circus as well.
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5/5/2005  5:01 PM
The MLB equivilent to what Isiah has done is to aquire 11 starting pitchers. There's some talent on the staff, and you can count a quality start more nights but nobody knows how to finish they always lose late because they have no closer.
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5/5/2005  5:21 PM
Isiah allowed or ordered his coach to mess up this year's first round pick by playing veterans
We didn't have a first round pick. Are you talking about Ariza (our 2nd rd pick), who got more minutes than many 1st rd picks?
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5/5/2005  5:56 PM
Don't we have to sign Ariza to a new contract this summer? By increasing his minutes towards the end of the season doesn't that put him even more into the spotlight for other teams to bid for his services?

Now we can sign him to a nice contract hopefully without any other teams opting for his services.

I think Ariza will get major burn next year once T.Thomas and Penny are traded.

As for our PF glut I think it will be resolved right around the same time we trade T.Thomas and Penny.
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5/5/2005  6:18 PM
Nothing new out the interview. As a dude with any common sense would know.....the team does have a bright future. To hear Isiah explain it the way he does just tells me he know what he is doing. He spells out the options everytime he speaks.

Nothing new but at least we all can have confidence knowing Isiah knows his options.

I don't really remember too much Knick GM history outside of Riley, Checkettes(sp?), Grunfeld and Layden. What I really love about Isiah is that he is not bullshytin' us with what he has. Riley was never questioned. Grunfeld was quiet. Layden used to be very secretive and never explained what he was up to. They he would make one dead end move after dead end move with no explanation.

If anything Isiah deserves as much time has he needs. Unless he just straight up quits(which he won't because he knows it will ruin him).........he has my respect.
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5/5/2005  6:20 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

a little more detailed recap courtesy of another board:

thanks for the extra work djsunyc
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5/5/2005  6:24 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Isiah allowed or ordered his coach to mess up this year's first round pick by playing veterans
We didn't have a first round pick. Are you talking about Ariza (our 2nd rd pick), who got more minutes than many 1st rd picks?

I'm taking about why the Knicks are picking at 8.
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5/5/2005  6:41 PM
Posted by Rich:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Isiah allowed or ordered his coach to mess up this year's first round pick by playing veterans
We didn't have a first round pick. Are you talking about Ariza (our 2nd rd pick), who got more minutes than many 1st rd picks?

I'm taking about why the Knicks are picking at 8.
Oh, I misunderstood. I don't think picking at #8 is the disaster some people here think it is.
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5/5/2005  6:48 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Rich:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Isiah allowed or ordered his coach to mess up this year's first round pick by playing veterans
We didn't have a first round pick. Are you talking about Ariza (our 2nd rd pick), who got more minutes than many 1st rd picks?

I'm taking about why the Knicks are picking at 8.
Oh, I misunderstood. I don't think picking at #8 is the disaster some people here think it is.

I'm not saying it's a disaster, but it's most likely a blown opportunity to be able to get an impact player for a team that has few or perhaps no alternatives to obtain one.

In any case, it's further proof that this team is poorly run.
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5/5/2005  7:07 PM
Posted by fishmike:

The MLB equivilent to what Isiah has done is to aquire 11 starting pitchers. There's some talent on the staff, and you can count a quality start more nights but nobody knows how to finish they always lose late because they have no closer.
That is a good analogy, I really like it. We have to rearrange the assets we have right now and create a more balancd team.
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5/5/2005  9:17 PM
Posted by fishmike:

The MLB equivilent to what Isiah has done is to aquire 11 starting pitchers. There's some talent on the staff, and you can count a quality start more nights but nobody knows how to finish they always lose late because they have no closer.

True, but starters have become great relievers, for example, Rich Gossage started for the White Sox, and Dennis Eckersly started for the Indians and the Red Sox, before they became closers, a PF can't become a G.
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5/5/2005  9:38 PM
Posted by fishmike:

The MLB equivilent to what Isiah has done is to aquire 11 starting pitchers. There's some talent on the staff, and you can count a quality start more nights but nobody knows how to finish they always lose late because they have no closer.

actually, the equivalent would be to acquire 11 tom glavine's. they have some skill but they just don't cut it at the upper level.
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5/5/2005  9:39 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by djsunyc:

a little more detailed recap courtesy of another board:

thanks for the extra work djsunyc

no problem bernardking2k5
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5/5/2005  9:43 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by fishmike:

The MLB equivilent to what Isiah has done is to aquire 11 starting pitchers. There's some talent on the staff, and you can count a quality start more nights but nobody knows how to finish they always lose late because they have no closer.

actually, the equivalent would be to acquire 11 tom glavine's. they have some skill but they just don't cut it at the upper level.

That's unfair. He's a HoF pitcher, but like so many Yankees, he is now done.
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