Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by diderotn:

That is right. I still do, just like I want Bruno to get a chance also. I have no clue what either of those two can provide. I know one thing, Kurt is not the answer. The time has come for us to experiment. Give each one of those two 10 games each at 20 minutes per to prove that they are not worthy of the position...


[quote]Posted by NYKBocker:

[quote]Posted by diderotn:

You can only judge a player in a 10 games 20 minutes per. Until then, I don't care. That is why I still believe that Sundov may be a good center. Until he proves that he can't be a good player in this league, I am not going to judge him.

Weren't you penciling in Jackie Butler for the starting center spot?


come on ive seen bruno sundov play with the celts the pacers and the knicks, hes been collecting nice checks for nothing 5-6 years now. Hes a 7-2 jump shooter, thats all hes been. he has enough time to prove something. Get into the paint and stay there or go back to europe. no bruno sxs

Exactly. I think Diderotn is the only one who sees any potential in Sundov or any 7+ footer for that matter which is why he's perfectly happy with drafting a 7ft bust with a lottery pick. Unfortunately it doesn't work that way. Just because you're 7ft doesn't mean you can contribute if you can't bang inside with opposing nba centers.

As far as Butler goes..It doesn't matter if he's a C or a PF, siging him was a great move by Isiah. He looked really smooth offensively in the limited time we saw him. Hopefully he allows us to upgrade the team by trading every current PF for a need. Butler is a very low risk HIGH reward frontcourt signing!

Posted by BRIGGS:

it shows just how badly we need bogut, and it stinks that we couldnt have gone to subs in that 4th Q against wash, but hey to bad now.

the funny thing is even if we got the first pick, you would here stuff like Bogut is a bust, take williams or trade down to get Taft, hes white he''ll be a bust, no way would i take him first, hes from europe yadayada

If you take a hard look at that list, than youll understand why I would give Martynas such a serious look over. If Jerome James is now dominating NBA playoff basketball games, all guys 7-0 and over with serious potnetial, have to be given serious workouts and considerations for any of our picks.

problem with that is that even if Martynas does pan out in the future we'll still need a dominant frontcourt player offensively to play alongside Marty because Marty and kurt or Sweetney doesn't cut it. Thats why I rather just draft Taft eventhough he's more of a PF. At least we'll have a potentially dominant frontcourt player in place. Then all we need to do is add at least a shotblocker. Then a guy like Steven Hunter might work at Center with a dominant frontcourt player playing next to him.

How dominant do you expect Martynas at 7'3 220-240 to be? Big Z is a good frontcourt player but he's not good enough on his own. And it would take A LOT for Marty to be even as good as Z in the post. I don't think its likely. Z needs Gooden to be consistent every game for them to win and he isn't, so they miss the playoffs.

Instead of limiting ourselves to "We need a dominant Center" when these centers come along once every 10-15yrs and always are projected to go #1 or 2. How about changing your expectations to "We need a dominant frontcourt player" to give Marbury a legitimate chance to show that he can be a winning playoff point guard. If that dominant player is a Center of the calibur of Bogut then we're golden but it likely won't be so we have to look for Amare/Bosh like frontcourt presences and I truly believe Taft can be that guy at 6'10 260 with the right coaching. Thats what the draft is all about. Taking the player with the highest upside. Taft is still my 3rd guy after Bogut & Green.

I could be interested in Hunter or Ha Jin, but more specifically Hunter. Hunter is athletic 23 7-1 and plays with energy. he comes with some fundamental problems, but he does have the size, athletic ability and energy that could really help. Hunter is probably the best bet for the MLE, but as I say that, I know its almost crucial to have a serious PF next to him, which we do not have.

Ha Jin, Id be willing to give 6 mm to over 3 years, hoping the blazers would not match. If Im wrong, oh well, not much NBA$--like a draft pick, i took a legit gamble on a risk reward scenario. A lot cheaper than Hunter

i'd take Gadz over Hunter...he's got better basketball instincts imho.

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by TMS:

i'd take Gadz over Hunter...he's got better basketball instincts imho.

I don't see much of a difference between the 2 offensively and Hunter is a rookie and younger and might have a little more upside

Hunter's not a rookie dude...he's been in the league longer than Gads has in fact.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by TMS:

i'd take Gadz over Hunter...he's got better basketball instincts imho.

I dont even consider gadzuric because he s restricted and they will match an MLE.

you think so? i don't know about that...they have to try & resign Michael Redd...i think you could get him w/a MLE offer personally.

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by TMS:

i'd take Gadz over Hunter...he's got better basketball instincts imho.

I don't see much of a difference between the 2 offensively and Hunter is a rookie and younger and might have a little more upside

Hunter's not a rookie dude...he's been in the league longer than Gads has in fact.

thats right Hunter played for Orlando for 3yrs but Hunter is still 3yrs younger.

But here's the thing Hunter this year averaged 1.34 blocks in only 13.8mins while Gadz averaged 1.2 blocks in 22.0mins

Gadz might be a slightly better rebounder and a little better offesively but Hunter's block numbers are impressive! especially alongside a dominant offensive PF.

Gadzuric is the better player by a good margin. He actually dominates the floor many nights, it's just that we don't watch Mil Bucks basketball. No, the GM of the Bucks said that Gadzuric and Redd are priority signs. One big difference is, Redd is UFA--he can pick and choose, Gadzuric is RFA--I would nOT be surprsied to see a club like Atlanta go up above the mLE after they get shut down with Chandler and Dalembart. But the MLE, while it could sign him, wont take him away from the Bucks.

Posted by EnySpree:

The best center in that group is Jerome James. Yeah I said it. I dunno what his problem is but he has always had the moves footwork and length to sucseed and be a special big man.

The stuff he is doing is nothing new. The guy was a Harlem Globetotter. He has all the trick moves and he can get out an run the way the Globetrotters are known for. I'm happy for him that he finally is getting the minutes and the touches to work down low.

He may feel he has this loyalty to Seattle. I hate that. Teams want to get rich off of you. If you suck they don't talk about loyalty....then it's a business.

Mark my words....Jerome James is for real. He eats too much that's why they call him Big Snacks. He has the skills already. He's never been given the opportunity to do his thing because he was always just trying to defer to a role.

If I was Isiah I would be talking to his agent as soon as it is legal. If he continues to play well it may be too late.

In some ways you are right, if you are saying can we get this guy with our MLE, that he obviously has a talent level and huge size, but you could literally sign the guy, and once he knows he has the $, he could pitch tent. I dont think hes a high character guy and he knows right now hes playing for $$$, once he has another contract, its anyones guess

does anybody here see isiah thomas taking a second chance with dikembe. he had a great season off the bench playing with the rockets, there were some games were he got more minutes than yao. but other than deke i see hunter,curry, and jerome as the front runners.