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4/21/2005  1:05 PM
i'm glad they won too because it shows the Knicks what not giving up on a season by using injuries as an excuse means...it also gives us a chance to see Shaq & the Heat beat the crap outta them.

maybe Stephon can pick up some pointers on how to be a leader by watching J. Kidd in the playoffs too.
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4/21/2005  1:37 PM
I know its great to think of the utter destruction the Heat could impart on the Nets. But, Im not so convinced thats going to happen.

If RJ is back to form, that Nets team has an unstoppable transition game. And their perimeter is unguardable with their passers and athleticism at the 1-3 spots.

If the Nets can turn the series into a transition running game, Miami will be scared. Shaq then is not a factor on defense, might pick up cheap fouls, get tired, and be forgotten in an up-tempo, triger-happy offense. For Miami to win, Wade has to keep the turnovers down, feed Shaq in the post atleast 25 times, and Eddie and Damon Jones have to consistently hit from the perimeter.
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4/21/2005  1:39 PM
i think they have a shot to win 2 games at most, but in the end i just think Shaq will be the difference.
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4/21/2005  1:46 PM
I can see it from both TMS's point of view and the Nets' point of view. It really depends on the tempo of the game and Wade making good decisions on offense.

The problem for the Heat is that Kidd's experience and defense will quite possibly phase Wade in a big game situation. The Nets can also stick Jefferson on Wade for periods, which mihgt pose problems. In the end, Shaq is going to need help in the form of perimeter shooting - if the Jones bros go cold, the Nets can steal some games.
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4/21/2005  1:47 PM
Posted by codeunknown:

I know its great to think of the utter destruction the Heat could impart on the Nets. But, Im not so convinced thats going to happen.

If RJ is back to form, that Nets team has an unstoppable transition game. And their perimeter is unguardable with their passers and athleticism at the 1-3 spots.

If the Nets can turn the series into a transition running game, Miami will be scared. Shaq then is not a factor on defense, might pick up cheap fouls, get tired, and be forgotten in an up-tempo, triger-happy offense. For Miami to win, Wade has to keep the turnovers down, feed Shaq in the post atleast 25 times, and Eddie and Damon Jones have to consistently hit from the perimeter.


If memory serves me Shaq's beef with Eddie Jones when they were with the Lakers had to do in part with his choking in the playoffs so it will be interesting to see what happens this year.
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4/21/2005  1:49 PM
vince carter is awesome but he's the biggest jackass on the planet.
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4/21/2005  1:58 PM
I am very happy for Vince Carter, I was hoping that he would be a Knicks, but Nets were luckier than we were. As much as I like the combo of Shaq and Wayde, I wouldn't mind to see the Nets battle them all the to the end. Let me take that back, I like Zo and I think that unlike everyone else, he deserves to be crown a champion....
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4/21/2005  2:01 PM
nets will be lucky to win a game, you can't run if you can't rebound, the nets don't rebound, Collins and kristic? LOL, Haslem will outrebound those two slugs and shaq at 70% is better than the whole nets front line put together... If anything eddie Jones can defend, he will make vince and whoever work for points, and if all else fails, who on NJ can really keep Wade at bay? Damon Jones will also keep the nets honest, since he seems not to miss many threes... This is just a tough match up for the nets no matter how you look at it... You can't ignore the shaq factor, and wade will defer to shaq when needed, that makes the heat very tough to beat..
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4/21/2005  2:27 PM
Kidd and Jefferson are excellent rebounders. That means the outlet is lightning fast. Uncle Cliff is a veteran, Collins is a big body. Krstic can hold his own against Haslem for stretches. Discounting the Nets' running game would be a huge mistake because NJ will rebound sufficiently.

And Wade can be kept at bay so to speak. Kidd is all-NBA defense and Jefferson is no slouch. Carter's playing tough in Jersey as well. If RJ is back, NJ will make it a series.
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4/21/2005  2:42 PM
I don't know how good RJ and VC can be collectively. It doesn't look like those two fit in that system. They are both Iso type of players and don't complement one another. VC is at his best when he has shooters around to knock down shots when he is doubled. I expect the Nets to have a tough time, but Vince and JKidd are both superstars, and they are at their best when they are cornered...
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4/21/2005  3:22 PM
Posted by tkf:

well lets look at this long term, the nets could of kept Kenyon, still had RJ, miss the playoffs and have a lottery pick and draft a SG like Gerald green. Now the nets will have two very similar players in RJ and vince, lets see how that works out before we start hailing thorn as a great GM, will vince remain healthy? and will the nets have to overpay to keep scalabrine( the big scrub. The nets are in no better position than the knicks, the nets have no front line outside of kristic, they will get pummeled by miami and they will have sacraficed a lottery pick for the pleasure of getting "shaqued" by miami.... The knicks can really hit a homerun in th lottery and get a steal at #30, if that happens, I am sure a lot of you will not be thinking of the nets kicking our azzes over the next few years...

You act like Nets making playoffs means they don't have a 1st rounder. They'll have like 15th pick in draft. Like everyone is saying. It's a deep draft. You could get same value at 15 that you'd get at 7. Plus Nets future looks good cause they have young players and have Clippers 1st rounder next year unprotected.
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4/21/2005  3:45 PM
The nets are in no better position than the knicks, the nets have no front line outside of kristic, they will get pummeled by miami and they will have sacraficed a lottery pick for the pleasure of getting "shaqued" by miami

WOW! The Nets are in no better position than the Knicks. WOW! For one, the Nets are still playing. Even if they get creamed by the Heat, which I think will happen, they accomplished something instead of quitting like the Knicks did. On top of that they have a MUCH MUCH better future the Knicks. They have a player who is entering his prime in VC. They have a guy who hasnt even reached his peak but is still one of the top 5 SFs in the game in Jefferson. They have the best all around PG in the game in Kidd. They have a young stud in Krstic. They have the Clippers pick. They have the exception which they can spend on Rahim or Swift. I mean if you cant see that the Nets have the better present and the better future, you are blind! We all hate the Nets but give some credit where its due.

[Edited by - ultknicks524 on 04/21/2005 15:58:39]
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4/21/2005  4:24 PM
Posted by MX25:
Posted by tkf:

well lets look at this long term, the nets could of kept Kenyon, still had RJ, miss the playoffs and have a lottery pick and draft a SG like Gerald green. Now the nets will have two very similar players in RJ and vince, lets see how that works out before we start hailing thorn as a great GM, will vince remain healthy? and will the nets have to overpay to keep scalabrine( the big scrub. The nets are in no better position than the knicks, the nets have no front line outside of kristic, they will get pummeled by miami and they will have sacraficed a lottery pick for the pleasure of getting "shaqued" by miami.... The knicks can really hit a homerun in th lottery and get a steal at #30, if that happens, I am sure a lot of you will not be thinking of the nets kicking our azzes over the next few years...

You act like Nets making playoffs means they don't have a 1st rounder. They'll have like 15th pick in draft. Like everyone is saying. It's a deep draft. You could get same value at 15 that you'd get at 7. Plus Nets future looks good cause they have young players and have Clippers 1st rounder next year unprotected.

If you feel you can get the same value at 15 than you can at 7, lets see how many people feel the same way, or how many GM's that feel the same way, I am sure you will be in a very small group..

What young players do the nets have besides Jefferson? Kidd? he will be 31 or 32 by next season, Carter will be 28 but with the knees of a 36 year old... Cliff Robinson? ha.... kristic? collins? Scalabrine? I mean who cares about those marginal players.... What I am saying is that the nets would have been a better team, keeping martin, who plays a position they are weak at now, and not get Carter who plays the same position as Jefferson, a position of strength for that team... I hate kenyon martin, but truth be known he was a beast with NJ, playing with kidd and that running style... And the nets would still have their pick this year,to fill in other need positions....
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4/21/2005  4:29 PM
Posted by ultknicks524:
The nets are in no better position than the knicks, the nets have no front line outside of kristic, they will get pummeled by miami and they will have sacraficed a lottery pick for the pleasure of getting "shaqued" by miami

WOW! The Nets are in no better position than the Knicks. WOW! For one, the Nets are still playing. Even if they get creamed by the Heat, which I think will happen, they accomplished something instead of quitting like the Knicks did. On top of that they have a MUCH MUCH better future the Knicks. They have a player who is entering his prime in VC. They have a guy who hasnt even reached his peak but is still one of the top 5 SFs in the game in Jefferson. They have the best all around PG in the game in Kidd. They have a young stud in Krstic. They have the Clippers pick. They have the exception which they can spend on Rahim or Swift. I mean if you cant see that the Nets have the better present and the better future, you are blind! We all hate the Nets but give some credit where its due.

[Edited by - ultknicks524 on 04/21/2005 15:58:39]

NJ's best player is kidd, he is getting older, by no means is he old yet, but I think his best years are soon to be behind him... The clippers pick is not worth discussing, who knows the clipps can win 50 games next year... RJ and Carter play the same position, lets see how that works first, I mean the nets did pretty damn good with kenyon martin roaming the baseline.. Kristic is far from a stud.. come on are you kidding? and again, I am not going to address rahim or swift, there are a few too many teams with a heap of cap space that would love a guy like swift(atlanta for one) and could easily outbid the nets, so arguing that point is worthless, for that matter I can argue that lebron would be a knick... If anyone is blind, I think it would be the person who refers to kristic as a stud...
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4/21/2005  4:35 PM
Nets have been playing good...they deserve to get in, but that doesn't mean I'm glad they got in.
I may throw a small party after they get swept by the Heat.

We'll get them next year.
(Man I really gotta calm down when we play them, every game vs. NJ I've been keeping my fingers crossed for a flagrant on them, ending like Kidd or Carter's season *nothing too serious*. Thank god for stress balls)
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4/21/2005  4:37 PM
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Posted by ultknicks524:
The nets are in no better position than the knicks, the nets have no front line outside of kristic, they will get pummeled by miami and they will have sacraficed a lottery pick for the pleasure of getting "shaqued" by miami

WOW! The Nets are in no better position than the Knicks. WOW! For one, the Nets are still playing. Even if they get creamed by the Heat, which I think will happen, they accomplished something instead of quitting like the Knicks did. On top of that they have a MUCH MUCH better future the Knicks. They have a player who is entering his prime in VC. They have a guy who hasnt even reached his peak but is still one of the top 5 SFs in the game in Jefferson. They have the best all around PG in the game in Kidd. They have a young stud in Krstic. They have the Clippers pick. They have the exception which they can spend on Rahim or Swift. I mean if you cant see that the Nets have the better present and the better future, you are blind! We all hate the Nets but give some credit where its due.

[Edited by - ultknicks524 on 04/21/2005 15:58:39]

NJ's best player is kidd, he is getting older, by no means is he old yet, but I think his best years are soon to be behind him... The clippers pick is not worth discussing, who knows the clipps can win 50 games next year... RJ and Carter play the same position, lets see how that works first, I mean the nets did pretty damn good with kenyon martin roaming the baseline.. Kristic is far from a stud.. come on are you kidding? and again, I am not going to address rahim or swift, there are a few too many teams with a heap of cap space that would love a guy like swift(atlanta for one) and could easily outbid the nets, so arguing that point is worthless, for that matter I can argue that lebron would be a knick, I mean anything is possible right? ... If anyone is blind, I think it would be the person who refers to kristic as a stud...
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4/21/2005  8:23 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by MX25:
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well lets look at this long term, the nets could of kept Kenyon, still had RJ, miss the playoffs and have a lottery pick and draft a SG like Gerald green. Now the nets will have two very similar players in RJ and vince, lets see how that works out before we start hailing thorn as a great GM, will vince remain healthy? and will the nets have to overpay to keep scalabrine( the big scrub. The nets are in no better position than the knicks, the nets have no front line outside of kristic, they will get pummeled by miami and they will have sacraficed a lottery pick for the pleasure of getting "shaqued" by miami.... The knicks can really hit a homerun in th lottery and get a steal at #30, if that happens, I am sure a lot of you will not be thinking of the nets kicking our azzes over the next few years...

You act like Nets making playoffs means they don't have a 1st rounder. They'll have like 15th pick in draft. Like everyone is saying. It's a deep draft. You could get same value at 15 that you'd get at 7. Plus Nets future looks good cause they have young players and have Clippers 1st rounder next year unprotected.

If you feel you can get the same value at 15 than you can at 7, lets see how many people feel the same way, or how many GM's that feel the same way, I am sure you will be in a very small group..

What young players do the nets have besides Jefferson? Kidd? he will be 31 or 32 by next season, Carter will be 28 but with the knees of a 36 year old... Cliff Robinson? ha.... kristic? collins? Scalabrine? I mean who cares about those marginal players.... What I am saying is that the nets would have been a better team, keeping martin, who plays a position they are weak at now, and not get Carter who plays the same position as Jefferson, a position of strength for that team... I hate kenyon martin, but truth be known he was a beast with NJ, playing with kidd and that running style... And the nets would still have their pick this year,to fill in other need positions....

First off...You say Carter is 28 but Knees of 36 year old. Now i need to ask this question. Have you seen VC play any games on Nets? He looks far from a guy with 36 knees. He's got amazing hang time.

Second Off....Jefferson is 24 and is improving each year. Krstic is 21 years old. And as a Rookie starting he avg'ed something like 13.5 points and 6 rebounds. He's a legit 7 footer with post game. He's only gonna get better. Far from Marginal player.

And Nets don't need guys with "potential". They get guys who fit there princeton offense. Even if they aren't gifted with great talents. Each guy has a role. It's called "Teamwork".

Finally...You shrug off the Clippers pick but i bet you are soooooo happy knicks got surs pick next year. Nice Double Standard.
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4/21/2005  8:54 PM
Posted by MX25:
Posted by tkf:
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well lets look at this long term, the nets could of kept Kenyon, still had RJ, miss the playoffs and have a lottery pick and draft a SG like Gerald green. Now the nets will have two very similar players in RJ and vince, lets see how that works out before we start hailing thorn as a great GM, will vince remain healthy? and will the nets have to overpay to keep scalabrine( the big scrub. The nets are in no better position than the knicks, the nets have no front line outside of kristic, they will get pummeled by miami and they will have sacraficed a lottery pick for the pleasure of getting "shaqued" by miami.... The knicks can really hit a homerun in th lottery and get a steal at #30, if that happens, I am sure a lot of you will not be thinking of the nets kicking our azzes over the next few years...

You act like Nets making playoffs means they don't have a 1st rounder. They'll have like 15th pick in draft. Like everyone is saying. It's a deep draft. You could get same value at 15 that you'd get at 7. Plus Nets future looks good cause they have young players and have Clippers 1st rounder next year unprotected.

If you feel you can get the same value at 15 than you can at 7, lets see how many people feel the same way, or how many GM's that feel the same way, I am sure you will be in a very small group..

What young players do the nets have besides Jefferson? Kidd? he will be 31 or 32 by next season, Carter will be 28 but with the knees of a 36 year old... Cliff Robinson? ha.... kristic? collins? Scalabrine? I mean who cares about those marginal players.... What I am saying is that the nets would have been a better team, keeping martin, who plays a position they are weak at now, and not get Carter who plays the same position as Jefferson, a position of strength for that team... I hate kenyon martin, but truth be known he was a beast with NJ, playing with kidd and that running style... And the nets would still have their pick this year,to fill in other need positions....

First off...You say Carter is 28 but Knees of 36 year old. Now i need to ask this question. Have you seen VC play any games on Nets? He looks far from a guy with 36 knees. He's got amazing hang time.

Second Off....Jefferson is 24 and is improving each year. Krstic is 21 years old. And as a Rookie starting he avg'ed something like 13.5 points and 6 rebounds. He's a legit 7 footer with post game. He's only gonna get better. Far from Marginal player.

And Nets don't need guys with "potential". They get guys who fit there princeton offense. Even if they aren't gifted with great talents. Each guy has a role. It's called "Teamwork".

Finally...You shrug off the Clippers pick but i bet you are soooooo happy knicks got surs pick next year. Nice Double Standard.

I am happy with the knicks pick next year, but I do understand that it is a late pick, I am more happy with this years pick because I know the draft is very deep, next year may be a much different story with the propose age limits, so that is why I have my reservations about next years pick, ours and the nets pick from the clippers...

Again I have seen vince play, vince is playing hard, this is easy for vince, a short stretch to make the playoffs and shove it in the face of toronto. Lets see vince do this a whole season. Don't tell me you don't think his health is an issue? Kristic even if he is more than a marginal player is nothing to write home about, the knicks sport ariza and sweetney, two young players who also have shown a lot of promise.

All I am saying, is like many other people, who are so quick to jump on the nets wagon to discredit the knicks, this is a team that crawled into the 8th seed, 42 wins with veterans like kidd and Carter are nothing to jump and down about, and as I mentioned, do you think carter is going to be putting up 30+ points per game once RJ gets back, and if vince isn't getting his touches, is vince going to play or pout? Who will the nets have for depth? the guys they have now are a far cry from Both williams(aaron and eric) and lucious harris.... This is not the same nets team we saw go to two finals. I will stop now, but I guess you will come back with how great collins and scalabrine are, and how vince faked all those surgeries back in toronto, and that he will do something he hasn't done in years.. Play a full season...(sigh)
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4/21/2005  9:16 PM
Sweeteny hasnt shown anything other than the potential to eat more hamburgers. Lets see him lose some weight and then you can talk about how much potential he has. Its been two years and we are still waiting for the weight loss.

[Edited by - ultknicks524 on 04/21/2005 21:17:10]
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4/21/2005  9:19 PM
Posted by ultknicks524:

Sweeteny hasnt shown anything other than the potential to eat more hamburgers. Lets see him lose some weight and then you can talk about how much potential he has.

Sweetney really showed me a lot the last month and a half of the season. Enough to convince me that he is the best PF and has the greatest value of the bunch, when you take rebounding and post scoring into consideration and hopefully quicker feet on defense after he losses weight.
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