Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by Killa4luv:

Do you call Sabonis a mobile big man? He was thee slowest least athletic center in this whole discussion. You couldn't slip a piece of paper under his feet when he was shooting his 'jump' shot. It was great jumpshot though.

Big Z is more athletic than Sabonis was. Ratliff, Dale Davis, and ostertag combined couldn't hold Z's jock strap. They were not skilled big men which is why their minutes fell as they got older, they have less to contribute.

My point really is that at 7-3, he doesn't need a tremendous level of athleticism to be good as he gets older. He is already highly skilled in the post, and outside, I don't see declining athleticism significantly hurting his game. Thats my main point, he is still bigger and better than pretty much everyone at the position in the league, and he can shoot over most of them. That situation is not likely to change much in the next 4 years.

I would do a 4 year contract with him for some good money.

We can't get a player with his skills cheaper, there are none. The only other route we have is getting a still young underachiever like Kwame, and trying to develop him. We are gonna draft some bigs regardless, I just think Z would be a nice addition if he didn't have a 7 year contract, we agree on that.

What other bigs do you think we should be looking at, that we will have a shot at? Give me a list off the top of your head, because as far as I can see there is Eddy Curry (heart), Dan Gadzuric (raw), Kwame (potential bust), Dalembert (raw), Tyson Chandler (raw), Big Z (polished, older, expensive), Draft full of 2-3 year projects (and we will be drafting some bigs regardless of what we do). If Z can hold us down at the 5 for 2-3 years while a big is developing behind him, that would be great.

exactly what I'm saying. i don't know how people think we can do better than Z assuming we can even afford him. I would gladly give him Tim Thomas type money at around $10-12mil per year. He deserves it especially when you have guys like Foyle/Dampier making $9-12mil

Like I said before what Center can even attempt to hold Z's jock strap? There are none unless we somehow get Bogut. I rather pay Z then Kwame who will be a major bust and even if he finally matures offensively and picks up his intensity on offensehe will never be a good defensive Center you need your Center to be. So we would still be looking to add a center!

At this point I think everyone is arguing symantics. I don't think anyone is really saying no way to Z, just that we don't want to overpay for him. I would do a KT and Taylor for Z trade, I may even Consider Sweets and Taylor for Z...but I, personally, refuse to part with a core of our roster (or overpay through a sign and trade)

Posted by Kwazimodal:

If they do sign him to a long term expensive deal Im holding gunsewing and killa personally responsible!

[Edited by - kwazimodal on 04/17/2005 21:15:10]

Posted by Killa4luv:

Posted by Kwazimodal:

If they do sign him to a long term expensive deal Im holding gunsewing and killa personally responsible!

[Edited by - kwazimodal on 04/17/2005 21:15:10]

LOL!!! Nah, I don't have a problem paying big money, I just have a problem with the long term aspect of it. 4 years or less, imo. But if he comes and he helps us immensely, hold us responsible for that too!