Posted by BigAppleStar3:

Posted by TMS:

by overpay i'm talking about his contract...giving up TT & a #7 pick is not overpaying for a player like Dalembert imo...if you think it is that's your prerogative...i'd like you to name me the player we can get at #7 who will fill the needs that Dalembert could right away coming in.

you're not going to get Dalembert for TT just because you're taking back a bad contract from PHI...that's not realistic.

[Edited by - TMS on 04/13/2005 12:42:27]

Well, after Andrew Bogut, I'm not high on the available big's in the Lottery. I'd go with Danny Granger over Chris Taft, Tiago Splitter and Fran Vazquez.

And if Philadelphia doesn't think giving them a $14M expiring contract plus taking an unwanted player like Kevin Ollie or Aaron McKie who both have a long term deal, isn't fair they can forget it. I do not want to trade our Lottery pick. I'm sick of that approach that NEVER seems to work.

Really? I think it works more often than not. Antoine Jamison to WAS was the most recent example. Elton Brand to LA was another example of the benefits of trading for a player rather than keeping the pick. It just doesn't work when you do the trade for someone like McDyess.

I don't think I'd give up the lottery pick for Dalembert, though, unless Philly gave us their pick in the deal (#15).

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 04/13/2005 12:59:54]

Yep, it is absolutely tim, the bergen site messed up his age.

Timmy is from philly.

The question is, who would we have to take back? Sounds like a no brainer to me as well, and philly could use a player like tim thomas alongside iverson (ball hog) and webber (post up and dish).

Looks to me like the knicks getting dalembert is all but assured.

But what high paid scrub do they send back to us?

I think dalembert will cost us about 7 - 10 mill a year (when all is said and done)

Does mashburn fill that out? i can't find a good place to find salaries.

Posted by Killa4luv:

Posted by TMS:

by overpay i'm talking about his contract...giving up TT & a #7 pick is not overpaying for a player like Dalembert imo...if you think it is that's your prerogative...i'd like you to name me the player we can get at #7 who will fill the needs that Dalembert could right away coming in.

you're not going to get Dalembert for TT just because you're taking back a bad contract from PHI...that's not realistic.

[Edited by - TMS on 04/13/2005 12:42:27]

I disagree. Teams make trades like that all the time. Who thought Chris Webber could be had so cheaply? Or Baron Davis? It happens all the time, teams make trades based more on financial criteria than talent. I wouldn't want to give up the #7 for him and I don't think we'd have to.

I don't think there is a player to make more of an impact right now, esp. not a C, but I do think there are players (mainly PF's who may turn into C's) who will be very good.

But if we get him with our pick, it definitely could change our situation drastically. I woudln't be mad. It would be a very big difference for us in the paint on the boards, our whole offensive strategy when you have a big 7 footer.

notice you pointed out maxed out players w/longterm deals & health issues...i don't dispute that Webber can be had w/o giving up the lottery pick...but teams are not in the business of giving up very young talent w/big upside for merely expiring contracts...you have to give them some more incentive than that.

the philly reference has to do w/fugazy playing there earlier in his career...he has a home there & he would probably be open to returning, but i see no reason why they would want him, unless it's to unload CWebb's contract.

Posted by TMS:

[quote]Posted by Knicksfan:

A trade that brings Dalembert to NY and sends KT out would help us a lot but my question is: is Dalembert the type of player the Knicks need? I don't mean his size and position, a big center is something that we obviously need. But I mean his character, his toughness, his desire to play and win. He would be a starter here, and an important one because of our lack of size and post defense. Would he really be the answer to us or would he be another Tim Thomas?

Why would you trade a lottery pick if you are forced to take back salary too. Its like the Crawford trade and like the Rose trade where the Knicks will be the team taking back salary for an expiring contract.


[Edited by - pharzeone on 04/13/2005 14:50:26]

This article was written by Frank Isola who makes up more crap than anyone. Why would Philadelphia want a piece of crap like Tim Thomas? Maybe for Mashburn straight up. No way for Dalembert, they'll have a hard enough time just matching Atlanta's contract offer to him this summer.

Posted by Pharzeone:

If Atlanta lands the top pick, they may be forced to wait out Dalembert and then move Bogut before signing him.

What do you mean by that?