Posted by TMS:

fair enough crzymdups...i completely agree w/posters like u & fish who've been saying that we need to build an identity on this team...no more of these trades that make no sense from that perspective...stick to 1 vision & 1 plan...if we're going to be an uptempo, run & gun style team, get some players who will thrive in that style game & a coach who knows how to run it...if we're going to be a slow it down, half court, pick & roll style team, then make moves to make this team fit that style game...let's see these guys take on an identity like the Knicks of old used to have when Ewing, Oakley, Mason, Starks & Harper were led by Pat Riley to be the best defensive team in the game...everyone knew they were going to be in for war when they came into the Garden...these days, no one respects these Knicks...i'm tired of watching guys like Kenyon Martin slam dunking the ball at will on these guys & smirking while doing it.

(on second thought, can we trade for K-Mart in the offseason?)

The sum of the pieces must exceed the value of each component!


Consistancy is born thru consistant men.

Forget Zach and his gazy work ethic.

I said long ago I liked the 02-03 Knicks cus they played with heart and passion! Don Chaney's first full year. IT was a foolish roster becasue it had little youth, but they were professional and worked hard. Having professional men would install a nice envrionment for young players to learn their craft. That was nice team to start a youth movement from. Dolan wanted high charactor guys. That went out the window with Isiah.

TT, Nazr, Crawful, Anfernee, Marbs are not the consistant kind of players. No, they are not bad guys, but don't have a work ethic or passion found in players with less talent but are more effective!

I don't expect a miricle next year, just leadership and dudes that take responsablilty seriously! I would like to measure progress by both wins and losses, and the charactor of this team.

The sum of the pieces must exceed the value of each component!

Zach and his gazy attitude puts up 20 & 10 every night as a 23yr old.

unlike TT's 12 & 3



[Edited by - gunsnewing on 04/07/2005 14:16:57]

None of that diminishes the fact that he can put up 20 and 10 every night and he is only 23 yrs old. Those stats tell us what they can do. It is up to the coach to make that work for us and make us win. We could really use someone with that talent in the post, we don't have it, and few teams in the league have it. It is a winning matchup almost everynight.

Posted by Bonn1997:

What's the difference between Zach's character issues and Garnett's or Kidd's other than that Garnett gets away with punching teammates and Kidd gets away with punching his wife because their teams win?

please pay attention to the part bolded in your reply...Zach's teams in POR have been a bunch of underachieving dogs ever since he got there...at least K-Mart has been a part of some Eastern Conference Champion teams...his DEN team is playing better of late as well under George Karl...Zach was a winner in college then signed that contract & all of a sudden he's become a selfish player w/attitude problems...now add to that the fact that he's coming off knee injuries & there's no way i would ever consider him to be a franchise calibre player...sorry...20 & 10 doesn't mean jack...Shareef Abdul Rahim used to put up those types of #'s too & i was never crazy about him either when BRIGGS wanted the Knicks to trade for him last year.

i want a player that has an impact on BOTH ends of the floor for that amount of money...K-Mart isn't franchise calibre, but he fits the mold alot better of what i envision this Knick team to be than Zach Randolph, i'll tell you that much.

those POR teams had talent up the wazoo & they went absolutely nowhere. I guess you're going to tell me how guys like Rasheed Wallace, Bonzi Wells, Derek Anderson, Damon Stoudamire, Nick Van Exel, Theo Ratliff, Sebastian Telfair, Shareef Abdur Rahim & Darius Miles are all scrubs now?

you want to know the right type of talent to surround Zach with? i'll tell you...he belongs on a team like Atlanta where he can accumulate stats til the cows come home & where no one will expect his team to win many games...

& please spare me the Jason Kidd & Kevin Garnett comparisons...Zach hasn't done anything in this league other than accumulate stats on losing teams...Michael Jordan yelled at Scottie Pippen too...maybe we should throw that into the mix while we're at it?

this is my personal preference...you're entitled to your opinion...a guy like K-Mart is MUCH more preferable because he makes an impact on both ends of the floor & adds explosiveness & also the type of passion this team has been lacking since John Starks played at MSG in his heyday...Camby comes close in comparison, but for his injury issues...whether it's a guy like Camby or a guy like K-Mart, this team needs some of that passion & energy on both ends of the floor desperately...no guys w/attitude problems, guys who are considered selfish, stathogs...enough is enough already.

correct...Shareef doesn't have any attitude problems.

I'm not sold on Zach Randolph at all but I for one would take a chance on the kid. Portland is a terrible situation, we all know that. Rasheed Wallace is the player that put Detroit over the top last year so to say that all those players cant find vindication elsewhere is totally wrong, even Bonzi Wells has been an angel since he was traded to Memphis and he's not even starting. My point is, Randolph is only 23 years old and so far in his career he has put up outstanding stats for any age, I would not be against taking a chance on the guy, especially if Zeke is the one in charge of the team. Zeke has a knack for helping along young players and I think he'd have a great influence on Zach.