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TMS
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4/6/2005  7:49 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

if we take on a much worse jamal crawford.whats wrong with taking on Zach.i bet he plays a lot better defense than crawford and might actually impact the wins column more

dude, the guy makes just about DOUBLE what Crawford makes...you want to talk about salary cap hell, imagine a team of Marbury, Crawford & Zach for the next 6 years because that's all you're going to have...are you going to win a championship w/that core?
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4/6/2005  7:51 PM
Zach is 20 and 10 and gets most of his points in the post, thats very very hard to come by. And thats an understatement. He's young too at 23 and whoever said he has peaked already, that sounds ridiculous. He'd be a rookie if he did 4 years in college, he still has an upside that could monstrous, but even producing at the rate that he is now, it would be TREMENDOUS to have this kind of talent on our team. The situation with his knee has to be investigated though. If his knee checked out, it would be a great aquisition from the standpoint of having a young proven scorer/rebounder 7 years away from 30. Add a Tyson Chandler type to the mix at the C and we're cooking with gas. The core would be set, the biggest hole being the 2, followed by the 3 which are much easier slots to fill.





[Edited by - Killa4luv on 04/06/2005 19:53:17]
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4/6/2005  7:54 PM
punches teammates in the face
I forgot about that. He has more in common with Kevin Garnett than I realized. Jason Kidd doesn't do that to his teammates but he does do that to his wife. And I'd take all 3 of those players. I want guys who play hard and play well. It's awful that all three behave like jerks outside of basketball, but that's not my concern.

a team of Marbury, Crawford & Zach for the next 6 years because that's all you're going to have...are you going to win a championship w/that core?
Well that's a pretty good start, but you obviously have to continue building. You don't add Zach and then just permanently stop trying to improve the team.
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4/6/2005  8:09 PM
of course you don't stop trying to improve...but how are you going to improve to the point where you can win a championship when 3 of your biggest contracts are being taken up by Marbury, Crawford & Zach Randolph? do you honestly think you can put together a team full of the right type of role players to surround that core to be able to win a title in the next 6 years using only MLE contracts or trading your draft picks & expiring deals for other players w/bad contracts that other teams want to dump on us?

i say absolutely NO WAY that would happen...if we're going to add a max type contract from here on out that goes past the year 2007 (the year Houston's contract expires), it needs to be for a guy who's a guarantee franchise type talent...not a guy who's been a malcontent who comes w/question marks concerning his attitude, his off the court issues, & his knees to boot.

[Edited by - TMS on 04/06/2005 20:12:10]
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4/6/2005  8:14 PM
Call me crazy, but I would do this trade...

Marbury, KT for Devin Harris, Marquis Daniels, KVH, 2006 1st Rounder.

Dirk and Finley are not getting any younger. They need parts to win now.

We get some good young guns and a 1st rounder. I still like KVH.

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4/6/2005  8:17 PM
Posted by NYKBocker:

Call me crazy,
I feel obligated to call you crazy for that one.

[Edited by - Killa4luv on 04/06/2005 20:18:23]
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4/6/2005  8:31 PM
Posted by TMS:

of course you don't stop trying to improve...but how are you going to improve to the point where you can win a championship when 3 of your biggest contracts are being taken up by Marbury, Crawford & Zach Randolph? do you honestly think you can put together a team full of the right type of role players to surround that core to be able to win a title in the next 6 years using only MLE contracts or trading your draft picks & expiring deals for other players w/bad contracts that other teams want to dump on us?
Yes I do. Our front court of Zach and KT would be sick on offense, Zach in the post and KT on the opposite baseline. Assuming we don't turn KT into a pick and/or another young talent.

The development/emergence of Trevor Ariza and Crawford factors heavily into those 6 years as well.

Not to mention we already have Malik Rose and JYD to provide that defensive intensity and tenacity on the boards. They are both very good role players.

The only role players we would need were a 2 guard who can hit the open jumper consistantly, and a workhorse on the boards/shotblock like Gadzuric or Hunter. All of which can be had rather easily with the MLE and/or a picks. That team could be built around and could conceivably win a championship.
i say absolutely NO WAY that would happen...if we're going to add a max type contract from here on out that goes past the year 2007 (the year Houston's contract expires), it needs to be for a guy who's a guarantee franchise type talent...not a guy who's been a malcontent who comes w/question marks concerning his attitude, his off the court issues, & his knees to boot.
Randolph IS a franchise type talent, which is why this trade makes sense. He has that contract, because he IS that kind of talent, and it is rare in the league right now. How many 20 and 10 guys exist? 3 or 4?

Not to imply there are not other factors to be weighed, but I think in the end doing it would be better than not doing it.

[Edited by - Killa4luv on 04/06/2005 20:32:42]
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4/6/2005  8:34 PM
I don't care so much about Randolph's attitude, and I like his game and would certainly have taken him under other circumstances, but I'm really scared off by these knee injuries. We've gone through it with Houston. It would suck to have a player that would constantly be an injury question at max money for the next 6 years. That's the deal breaker for me.
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4/6/2005  8:49 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by TMS:

of course you don't stop trying to improve...but how are you going to improve to the point where you can win a championship when 3 of your biggest contracts are being taken up by Marbury, Crawford & Zach Randolph? do you honestly think you can put together a team full of the right type of role players to surround that core to be able to win a title in the next 6 years using only MLE contracts or trading your draft picks & expiring deals for other players w/bad contracts that other teams want to dump on us?
Yes I do. Our front court of Zach and KT would be sick on offense, Zach in the post and KT on the opposite baseline. Assuming we don't turn KT into a pick and/or another young talent.[Edited by - Killa4luv on 04/06/2005 20:32:42]
Ditto. Of course there are no guarantees, but you're off to a good start with that combination of players.

VDesi: He had arthroscopic knee surgery. Many, many players have it and are able to play again in a month or so. It's nothing like Houston's injury or McDyess's. Of course you have every doctor double, tripple check his knee to be safe, though.
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4/6/2005  10:55 PM
if the price was Mike Sweetney, Penny's ending contract+ a second round pick at our disrcetion, of course you make this deal. It's a no-brainer. Zach didnt blow up his knee, he had something similar to what Patrick had that kept him out of 25-30 games his rookie year. Patrick came through it all right for the next 13-14 years? the kid is 23, hes not 33. He would be a BAD man in the east, hard to control. we talk about this guy that guy, Ill pay Zach his 10-11 mm per for the 20-11-48-50% shooting.

id even carefully consider the late 1 because it is LATE. but like the good fairie says in Sleeping Beauty, no more, no less. Im not taking the SHOT Theo ratliff and his 33MM over 3 to sit on the bench! we already have a wasted 10mm $ spot for mo taylor

Give me Bogut Randolph and get me either Cutino Mobley or Bobby Simmons with the MLE and Ty Lue with the LLE
Move Malik Rose to Houston for fatspoon and pick 23 to swipe Jawad Williams
and move our 53 +300,000G up to pick 33-35 and swipe Pops Mensah



Line up
Bogut Kurt Thomas Butler
Randolph Taylor Mensah
T Thomas Williams Ariza
Mobley Crawford
Marbury Lue Crawford

Houston=retired

IR=JYD
Fatspoon
Zach Randolph Mo Taylor Pops Mensah
RIP Crushalot😞
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4/6/2005  11:20 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

if the price was Mike Sweetney, Penny's ending contract+ a second round pick at our disrcetion, of course you make this deal. It's a no-brainer. Zach didnt blow up his knee, he had something similar to what Patrick had that kept him out of 25-30 games his rookie year. Patrick came through it all right for the next 13-14 years? the kid is 23, hes not 33. He would be a BAD man in the east, hard to control. we talk about this guy that guy, Ill pay Zach his 10-11 mm per for the 20-11-48-50% shooting.

id even carefully consider the late 1 because it is LATE. but like the good fairie says in Sleeping Beauty, no more, no less. Im not taking the SHOT Theo ratliff and his 33MM over 3 to sit on the bench! we already have a wasted 10mm $ spot for mo taylor

Give me Bogut Randolph and get me either Cutino Mobley or Bobby Simmons with the MLE and Ty Lue with the LLE
Move Malik Rose to Houston for fatspoon and pick 23 to swipe Jawad Williams
and move our 53 +300,000G up to pick 33-35 and swipe Pops Mensah



Line up
Bogut Kurt Thomas Butler
Randolph Taylor Mensah
T Thomas Williams Ariza
Mobley Crawford
Marbury Lue Crawford

Houston=retired

IR=JYD
Fatspoon
Zach Randolph Mo Taylor Pops Mensah
Most late 1st rd picks don't amount to too much. I'd easily throw in the late 1st rd pick. I'm doubtful about whether we could get Zach without giving up our lottery pick, though. If we could, I'd be extremely happy. I'd love to have Marbury, Ariza, Zach, and whomever we draft with the lottery pick for next year.
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4/6/2005  11:21 PM
Move Malik Rose to Houston for fatspoon and pick 23 to
I can't imagine Houston giving up an expiring contract and a 1st round pick just to get Malik Rose
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