Posted by rvhoss:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by tkf:

Briggs, I know you are frustrated, but your attacks on crawford are confusing, I mean do you think he is the reason why the knicks are this bad? personally I don't even think he is anywhere responsible, we knew we were getting a guy who is a unfinished product,a little rough around the edges and needs some work... I don't see why you are making, trashing Jamal, a recurring theme around here..

when JC has gained 15 pounds, can play a little D and comes out of his hiding spot behind the 3 pt line, let me know

I can't wait to see how much you bash our rookies from this draft when they aren't averaging their college numbers and are skinny and can't play man defense.

Exactly; and if Jamal were on any other team, he'd be "a young player with great upside who didn't play a lot of ball before being in the NBA and just needs more time to realize his potential"

Posted by kam77:

whoops, a retry

Posted by fishmike:
We spent 100mm to have a playoff team. Remember when Isiah was talking about winning the division? Even if you have a losing season you want to accomplish something. I dont know that we have accomplished anything.

Actually Layden was responsible for 80mil, and Isiah added 20% on top of that to put his stamp on the team. I don't care about the extra 20%, I care that moves were made to (at least attempt to ) better the team in a way that makes them younger and more explosive.

Did we accomplish anything this year? We reversed the hiring of Lenny Wilkens which was a suspect move LAST YEAR, and we learned that Isiah can turn a 2nd rd pick into a guy who not only made the team, but contributed. What else did we accomplish this year? We turned the KVH trade last year into a more positive experience converting Nazr into a true leader in the hard-nosed Rose. We brought in JYD this year. Rose, JYD, Ariza, all these guys hustle and guard and create extra possesions. They are all complimentary pieces and there wasn't much to compliment when TT didn't show up and neither really did Allan. When 2/3 of your big 3 is Missing in Action most of the year, you get what we have now.

The jury is out on Marbury and Crawford getting better at playing Defense. That could be the real downfall of the team. The reason Marbury has such a good +/- isn't because the Knicks do so well when he is on the court, it's because they do so poorly when he's OFF it.

We need a real backcourt backup who plays defense. Brewer and Moochie didn't cut it this year. JJackson doesn't seem ready yet.

Posted by tkf:

Posted by Nalod:

Posted by tkf:

Briggs, I know you are frustrated, but your attacks on crawford are confusing, I mean do you think he is the reason why the knicks are this bad? personally I don't even think he is anywhere responsible, we knew we were getting a guy who is a unfinished product,a little rough around the edges and needs some work... I don't see why you are making, trashing Jamal, a recurring theme around here..

YOu right, he is unfinished, but why give him 56 million dollars if he is not? He got 3 years to show what he is. I realize this was perhaps the only way we could have obtained this kind of player, but it magnifies the importance of moving towards better cap flex fast so we don't have to take on dudes that are not finished, or have played under their potential.

you see this is the tricky thing nalod, right now we have people who are willing to give ray allen a max deal, when ray is 30 years old and has bad knees, but ray can play and he can score, that is the price for a good player, albeit one with a questionable knee... Craw just turned 25, in two years, if craw gets it all together, how much money do you think he would command then? right now his price may seem high, but lets check back in a few years...

I remember when my wife and I bought one of these British cars a few years ago, the Range Rover. This british Mechanic said to me that he could for a somewhat steep price of 750 dollars could re-tune the car to take regular gas instead of the required premium gas... My wife and I at the time thought that was ridiculous since Regular gas here in Atlanta at the time was barely over a dollar. Well now with the price of premium gas down here at almost $2.40 per gallon, I wish we had spent the 750 dollars to get the tune up. Now the price for mechanics to do that have gone up considerably since then, so have the parts...

The moral here is jamal is the type of player that may seem costly now, but in a few years, he could be that player we sorely need, and we would have gotten him for what may seem to be a very fair price.. I know this may not be the best analogy, but I hope it gets the point across...

[Edited by - tkf on 04/06/2005 10:45:51]

Good point.
Good analogy.

Posted by Nalod:

Exactly; and if Jamal were on any other team, he'd be "a young player with great upside who didn't play a lot of ball before being in the NBA and just needs more time to realize his potential"

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TMS:

sorry to go off on a tangent guys, but tkf, what else has to be changed other than your O2 sensor & computer to get your car to take regular instead of premium?

good question, I really don't remember, but the guy was talking a lot of mechanic jargon, things I had no clue about, but he did say his labor per hour working on these cars is 150. I don't know how much the parts are but I know they are all expensive, I had to get a mud flap on my car replaced and it cost $75 for just one mud flap, on my GMC autp, the same flap was 15 bucks.... But I am not sure other than what you mentioned, that it would take..I am not going to do it now, I am about to trade the truck in, I just put another $600 in repairs and a tune up. I am going to go domestic on a ute this time, those british cars are expensive upkeeps...

Posted by TMS:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TMS:

sorry to go off on a tangent guys, but tkf, what else has to be changed other than your O2 sensor & computer to get your car to take regular instead of premium?

good question, I really don't remember, but the guy was talking a lot of mechanic jargon, things I had no clue about, but he did say his labor per hour working on these cars is 150. I don't know how much the parts are but I know they are all expensive, I had to get a mud flap on my car replaced and it cost $75 for just one mud flap, on my GMC autp, the same flap was 15 bucks.... But I am not sure other than what you mentioned, that it would take..I am not going to do it now, I am about to trade the truck in, I just put another $600 in repairs and a tune up. I am going to go domestic on a ute this time, those british cars are expensive upkeeps...

i don't know about British cars, but usually an O2 sensor shouldn't run you any more than $75-100...a new ECU for that range rover is probably an arm & a leg though considering they probably mark up every part on that car, but you could probably find a hack out there to reflash your factory ECU to take regular for much cheaper...it would probably void your warranties either way, so you're better off going domestic.

Posted by MS:

Crawford is a tremendous reason for this season, he takes bad shots, makes bad decision, and doesn't play defense, their is a reason the Bulls traded for him

Stephen Jackson looks real good right now, nice move Bird.......

You can't keep bringing in losers and expect to win.....isiah needs to weed out a number of his players, Isiah has proven he can't coach or teach either, i haven't seen crawford improve even with these one on one workouts

Posted by kam77:

whoops, a retry

Posted by fishmike:
We spent 100mm to have a playoff team. Remember when Isiah was talking about winning the division? Even if you have a losing season you want to accomplish something. I dont know that we have accomplished anything.

Actually Layden was responsible for 80mil, and Isiah added 20% on top of that to put his stamp on the team. I don't care about the extra 20%, I care that moves were made to (at least attempt to ) better the team in a way that makes them younger and more explosive.

Did we accomplish anything this year? We reversed the hiring of Lenny Wilkens which was a suspect move LAST YEAR, and we learned that Isiah can turn a 2nd rd pick into a guy who not only made the team, but contributed. What else did we accomplish this year? We turned the KVH trade last year into a more positive experience converting Nazr into a true leader in the hard-nosed Rose. We brought in JYD this year. Rose, JYD, Ariza, all these guys hustle and guard and create extra possesions. They are all complimentary pieces and there wasn't much to compliment when TT didn't show up and neither really did Allan. When 2/3 of your big 3 is Missing in Action most of the year, you get what we have now.

The jury is out on Marbury and Crawford getting better at playing Defense. That could be the real downfall of the team. The reason Marbury has such a good +/- isn't because the Knicks do so well when he is on the court, it's because they do so poorly when he's OFF it.

We need a real backcourt backup who plays defense. Brewer and Moochie didn't cut it this year. JJackson doesn't seem ready yet.

Posted by MS:

Crawford is a tremendous reason for this season, he takes bad shots, makes bad decision, and doesn't play defense, their is a reason the Bulls traded for him

Stephen Jackson looks real good right now, nice move Bird.......

You can't keep bringing in losers and expect to win.....isiah needs to weed out a number of his players, Isiah has proven he can't coach or teach either, i haven't seen crawford improve even with these one on one workouts

Posted by newyorknewyork:

Crawford has made 5.8mil this season. And by that price it wasn't that bad of a season. We haven't paid him 56million yet. Who knows what happends next season or the yr after.

This is also Crawfords 7th yr of playing organized ball. Though his rookie yr he played 61games and his sophmore yr he played 23 games. That together is 2 games over a full season of basketball in 2yrs. He really played like 6yrs of organized ball. While most players play 2yrs of middle school, 4yrs of highschool and a 1yr or 2 in college. Which is about 7-8yrs of ball before there rookie season.

With that Crawford put up 17pts & 5assist in his 4th yr in the league and was 24 at the time. And still has a ton of room to grow as a player. So I can see why Isiah would take the risk. And work with him the way he did with Al Harrington, J'Oneal, Ron Artest in Indy.