Posted by VDesai:

This is Hughes' 7th year in the league, and only now is he consistently getting it. He was all over the board before that. Crawford has some elite skills...top notch ballhandling ability, and when set, a very good shot. He's got some decent secondary skills as well...he can read passing lanes and come up with steals. He has shown flashes of playmaking ability. Give him some time. I can't believe people are labeling him a bust so quickly. He's not untradable, but we also shouldn't be looking to dump him.

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Originally posted by gunsnewing:

no way!
crawford, sweetney & kurt for sura, spoon and only the 23rd pick! you gotta be kidding me!


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Wrong. What I proposed was Crawford, KT, 53rd pick for Sura, Spoon, and the 23rd pick.

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Originally posted by TMS:

people are down on Jamal right now because the team is losing...
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No, I have been down on him since his Chicago days. He's atheletic, has great handle, and can shoot, but he's more suited for the AND ONE type of stuff. His fundamentals & BB IQ is so low, I was not happy when Isiah committed $$$$ for Craw and signed him until 2010!!!!He can score 50 when he has his touch and if he's allowed to play unorganised BB and shoot 30 times a night. That's not impressive to me. Because the flip side of the coin is what we have been seeing - him chucking 7 three-pointers a night instead of driving to the hoop.

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Originally posted by djsunyc:

this is a crazy question.
it's his first year here.

it took larry hughes, what, 6 years to get to where he is now? let's give him some years.



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I'd say YES to that IF HE WAS A 2nd or 3rd year player in the league, BUT THIS IS HIS 5TH YR. He had 5 yrs to develop his body and his game and frankly I truly believe that he is a type of person who doesn't have that sort of discipline in him. Hughes took 7 yrs? So you are ok to wait for 2 more years while Craw continues to be a defensive liability and immature/dumb offensive player?
I get that this trade proposal is a bit extreme. But I'm not sold on Craw and I want him moved. In order to win a BB game, you need to play orgnaized as a team within a scheme. We need player who knows how to win, and what he needs to do. Having 2 players in Marbury and Craw who play flashy BB but no defense isn't gonna work. Isiah won't move Marbury. Then move Craw. Bring in players who learned discipline in college and how to win.

Posted by Stevo718:

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Originally posted by gunsnewing:

no way!
crawford, sweetney & kurt for sura, spoon and only the 23rd pick! you gotta be kidding me!


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Wrong. What I proposed was Crawford, KT, 53rd pick for Sura, Spoon, and the 23rd pick.

I wouldn't trade Crawford by himself for Sura, Spoon and the 23rd pick. Weatherspoon? How could you want Weatherspoon even for contract expiring purposes?

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Originally posted by TMS:

people are down on Jamal right now because the team is losing...
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No, I have been down on him since his Chicago days. He's atheletic, has great handle, and can shoot, but he's more suited for the AND ONE type of stuff. His fundamentals & BB IQ is so low, I was not happy when Isiah committed $$$$ for Craw and signed him until 2010!!!!He can score 50 when he has his touch and if he's allowed to play unorganised BB and shoot 30 times a night. That's not impressive to me. Because the flip side of the coin is what we have been seeing - him chucking 7 three-pointers a night instead of driving to the hoop.

Scoring 50 isn't impressive? Almost everyone that has scored 50 has seen PLENTY of touches that game. Name me 10 players playing now that have scored 50 once. How long did it take you? Are there even 10?

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Originally posted by djsunyc:

this is a crazy question.
it's his first year here.

it took larry hughes, what, 6 years to get to where he is now? let's give him some years.



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I'd say YES to that IF HE WAS A 2nd or 3rd year player in the league, BUT THIS IS HIS 5TH YR. He had 5 yrs to develop his body and his game and frankly I truly believe that he is a type of person who doesn't have that sort of discipline in him. Hughes took 7 yrs? So you are ok to wait for 2 more years while Craw continues to be a defensive liability and immature/dumb offensive player?
I get that this trade proposal is a bit extreme. But I'm not sold on Craw and I want him moved. In order to win a BB game, you need to play orgnaized as a team within a scheme. We need player who knows how to win, and what he needs to do. Having 2 players in Marbury and Craw who play flashy BB but no defense isn't gonna work. Isiah won't move Marbury. Then move Craw. Bring in players who learned discipline in college and how to win.

How is Crawford suppose to learn how to win when the WHOLE team doesn;t know how to win? Look at every year he has played, his bad shooting percentage has been during the last 3 years(including this year) out of his 5 year career which also concided with the increase in minutes. When you have less minutes you know a lot more what is expected of you and your role. Once he started playing 30+ minutes in CHI it isn't as clear cut especially on a team that had bad coaching and no direction. I mean we are talking about Chicago, full of rookies, with no direction(back then), I say you really got to give him 1-2 more years before you can write him off.

It's almost like his rookie year was this year.

I mean when he is on his shot looks so effortless. He is definitely a special player and you don;t give up on talent like that so easily.
Especially for Sura, Spoon and a crap pick.

I'm glad at least you are happy to have Crawford as a Knick. I'm not. He may learn and become a controlled/consistent offensive player who also plays tough defense ONE DAY, perhaps in the next 5 yrs when he is 30? All I'm saying is that he is way overpaid and that he is a defensive (and often offensive) liability and lacks discipline. Just look at his body and the style of his play. He's 6-5 and weighs just 190. It's his 5th yr, but he has not bulked up at all - ZERO EFFORT. There are other skinny players like Rip and Reggie, but they more than make up for it with their endless energy and movement away from the ball. They're decent defenders as well. Craw doesn't move like Rip does. He can't defend. He doesn't drive. He only goes to the line 3 times/game. (Reggie at the age of 39 goes to the line 4 times!) If Craw's a professional, he should know that he needs to bulk up and that he needs to attack the basket. I don't give a sht if a player score 100 if the team doesn't win. He's got good skills, BUT HE IS DUMB LOSER.

I'm glad at least you are happy to have Crawford as a Knick. I'm not. He may learn and become a controlled/consistent offensive player who also plays tough defense ONE DAY, perhaps in the next 5 yrs when he is 30? All I'm saying is that he is way overpaid and that he is a defensive (and often offensive) liability and lacks discipline. Just look at his body and the style of his play. He's 6-5 and weighs just 190. It's his 5th yr, but he has not bulked up at all - ZERO EFFORT. There are other skinny players like Rip and Reggie, but they more than make up for it with their endless energy and movement away from the ball. They're decent defenders as well. Craw doesn't move like Rip does. He can't defend. He doesn't drive. He only goes to the line 3 times/game. (Reggie at the age of 39 goes to the line 4 times!) If Craw's a professional, he should know that he needs to bulk up and that he needs to attack the basket. I don't give a sht if a player score 100 if the team doesn't win. He's got good skills, BUT HE IS DUMB LOSER.

Posted by EnySpree:

Craw 's scoring is average is 16pts on 38%......that's all shot selection. He would go on a tear where he is taking terrible shots and making them....then go on a equal slump where he is missing those terrible shots.

There was a stretch when he was under control but he wasn't shooting the ball at all. He was getting alot of assists during that stretch.

Craw is confused on what his role is. What should he be doing on the court? He needs to be Marbs equal. Maybe next year after having a whole season together they could mesh.

On the flipside look at how fast Jason Richardson meshed with Baron Davis!

Will this work? It's in Craws hands. He is the one that needs to just play basketball. He get's into this thing where he will come down do his predictable set-up dribble and let a jumper fly or he will dribble to the corner and just chuck up a shot with the defense already turned about to crash in for the rebound.

No way do you win with Craw as a 6th man.....that would be stupid. Craw needs to be the guy in the starting line-up working just like Marbs. He's 25 this year. How good is he really?

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by EnySpree:

Craw 's scoring is average is 16pts on 38%......that's all shot selection. He would go on a tear where he is taking terrible shots and making them....then go on a equal slump where he is missing those terrible shots.

There was a stretch when he was under control but he wasn't shooting the ball at all. He was getting alot of assists during that stretch.

Craw is confused on what his role is. What should he be doing on the court? He needs to be Marbs equal. Maybe next year after having a whole season together they could mesh.

On the flipside look at how fast Jason Richardson meshed with Baron Davis!

Will this work? It's in Craws hands. He is the one that needs to just play basketball. He get's into this thing where he will come down do his predictable set-up dribble and let a jumper fly or he will dribble to the corner and just chuck up a shot with the defense already turned about to crash in for the rebound.

No way do you win with Craw as a 6th man.....that would be stupid. Craw needs to be the guy in the starting line-up working just like Marbs. He's 25 this year. How good is he really?

Why can't Craw work as a 6th man. He has a lot of skills that good 6th men have. It would at least be worth trying if the team acquires an SG who is good enough to replace him in the starting lineup.