Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by rvhoss:

Golden state is winning games kind of like last year when the knicks got marbs.

It won't last, baron davis hasn't won ANYTHING, so to say he's a bigger winner than marbury is absurd.

Baron Davis is good, but not better.

Baron Davis has made it to the second round a lot more than Steph. Steph is better on offense, but Baron is better at making those game clinching plays and playing defense. You can't argue with the turn around he started in GSW.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by VDesai:

Yep I'd do it. One would think the Clips would too. We'd still have a ways to go as far as upgrading the roster, but there would finally be a legit 2nd option to Marbury (or maybe Corey would even be the first option). I'm still very high on Wilcox. Remember he came out after his freshman year. He's only 22. His length and athleticism give him a slight advantage on Sweets. As a starter this year Chris has gotten 12 pts 6.1 rebs and 0.8 blocks in 28.5 mins. Funny thing is Sweetney is averaging worse stats this year as a starter vs a sub.

Its not just that though. He's being used differently. He gets the ball less in the post these days. And really he's only playing 3 more minutes per game on average.
probably because he's going up against 1st team players on the other side rather than reserves.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by VDesai:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by VDesai:

Yep I'd do it. One would think the Clips would too. We'd still have a ways to go as far as upgrading the roster, but there would finally be a legit 2nd option to Marbury (or maybe Corey would even be the first option). I'm still very high on Wilcox. Remember he came out after his freshman year. He's only 22. His length and athleticism give him a slight advantage on Sweets. As a starter this year Chris has gotten 12 pts 6.1 rebs and 0.8 blocks in 28.5 mins. Funny thing is Sweetney is averaging worse stats this year as a starter vs a sub.

Its not just that though. He's being used differently. He gets the ball less in the post these days. And really he's only playing 3 more minutes per game on average.
probably because he's going up against 1st team players on the other side rather than reserves.

exactly my point...he's being guarded by 1st teamers on the other side, so he's not getting as many good scoring opportunities whereas against second teamers he's able to muscle them down low & get open looks...that's probably why they're not going to him as often.

Posted by BRIGGS:

I'll give ya reasons why is crazy and won't happen on both sides, but he is the predatory killer

There is no way the Clippers will pay Jamal Crawford. With the way their payroll is structured, Jamal Crawford becomes their 8mm$ SG. If Im running a team based on a 40mm $ salary structure, do I commit 8mm to this guy for 6 more years? NO!

Thats how business is for the Clippers, and even though they have been a bad franchise[although they have been showing signs] they don't alter the business model. Name one athlete they have traded for that had a long contract. I can NONE. and it wont start with a player like jamal, who isnt worth 5mm let alone 8.

Posted by TMS:

Clippers are high on Bobby Simmons & want to sign him to an extension...that means Maggette likely will be on the market...several media sources are thinking along the same lines.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by TMS:

Clippers are high on Bobby Simmons & want to sign him to an extension...that means Maggette likely will be on the market...several media sources are thinking along the same lines.

If Clippers want to resign Simmons they can, remember their cap number next year is 25mm they have to spend 15mm just to get up to the minimum. they dont need to clear cap room, they need to fill it out. They HAVE to spend 15mm

Posted by crzymdups:

the ridiculous issue here is that you guys always seem to want the star players after they "pop."

the problem is, once a player pops, his price tag (i.e. what you have to trade to get him) goes waaaaaay up. Maggette was a 13th pick in the draft back in the day. Now, we'd have to trade the 7th pick plus other stuff to get him. Doesn't that seem messed up? I'd rather draft Taft and have him develop to the point where he's a player we could never acquire in a trade. That's the whole point of the draft - pluck superstars before their price tag goes up too high.

this team needs a lot more than Corey Maggette. It needs size, shot blocking, defense at almost every position and athleticism. With the draft picks we have, we can add two young, big horses this year basically for free. Add them to the core of Marbury, Ariza, Sweets, Jamal and you might have something. Overpaying for a nice player on a bad team is not the way to go. We already overpaid for Marbs, now we have to restock through the draft.


EDIT: one example of this is several guys on this board PINING away for Dalembert but then turning around and saying we can't overpay for Stephen Hunter because he hasn't proven anything. The whole point is: we cannot afford Dalembert at this rate, he is one of the more coveted players in the league. Hunter is ONLY available because he has not popped YET. Yes, it's a gamble, but he's a huge, young mobile center with NBA experience. He's had some great games with Amare out and Phoenix probably couldn't afford to match a full MLE offer. But people think that's overpaying and would prefer to fantasize about Dalembert or hope that Petro develops superquick.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 04/04/2005 14:59:47]