its hard to predict, because with draft picks beauty is always in the eye of the begolder. I'm sure there are GMs that would give up the meat of their roster for a shot at Bogut or Williams. Im sure there are other GMs that think they will be good pros but thats about it.

The nice thing about a top 1-3 pick is there is very little guess work, ie you have leverage.

What you do is let teams your willing to move and see whats out there... The Hawks are dying for bigs, and who knows if they can land a Dalembert, Swift, Chander or anyone else... maybe you offer the #1 and Sweetney for the #2 and Josh Smith and the #32 pick. The Hawks at the very worst have Bogut/Sweetney going into next year and we have Ariza, MArvin Williams and Josh Smith at the 2/3 for the next decade.

Plus you get a high #2 where you can take a Euro player or HS kid that falls.

If I had to bet money I would say he just takes Bogut a) because thats what everyone says to do b) its 'safe' and c) it fills a team need anyway

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

It depends on how these guys play in workouts. If you love what you see from Bogut or Williams or someone else, you draft that player. It wouldn't surprise me if Isiah tried to pull of a huge trade, though if he got the #1 pick. (Something like the #1 pick and TT to the Clippers, the Clippers' lottery pick and the Knicks' two late 1st rd picks over the next two years plus Sweetney to the Pacers, Elton Brand and Ron Artest to the Knicks.) Then you obviously make some other lateral moves to clear up the PF spot a bit.

the 30th pick in the draft, mike sweetney and a spur number 1 next year for artest.


they mustve laced your twinkies with crack:>)

It's normally not worth the time to respond to someone when they resort to childish insults like saying someone's on crack, but I'm bored and not tired enough to go to sleep.

Re-read the bold part. You left out the most attractive part of the deal for the Pacers--getting a mid lottery pick.

It also goes without saying (or at least I thought it did since you all know my views about payroll) that we could take back a bad contract from the Pacers.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 04/04/2005 00:12:37]

I usually don't respond to you at all, because I feel you know absolutley nothing about basketball and just re-chipher information you see here and elsewhere into your own postings, otherwise you are trying to bother someone with you drivle. No, we are not getting Ron Artest and Elton Brand for what we have in any form with a number 1 pick. It would take any entire package of good including the number 1 pick to get ONE of these guys and I for one would not trade Bogut for either, NO way, No how, not in 20 years. Ron Artest is one more blow up from being out of the league and Brand is a real nice PF. Sorry, Ill take the C.

Artest is one more blow up from being out of the league

That's why I think the Pacers would at least consider giving him up for that package where they get the Clippers lottery pick. We weren't giving the Pacers a lot in the package. It's hard to be against that portion of the trade from our perspective. It would be a worthwhile gamble.

From the Clippers' perspective, the question is whether they'd rather get fairly similar production from Bogut for $2 mil a season or from Brand for $15 mil per season. They've always been cheapskates.

It would take any entire package of good including the number 1 pick to get ONE of these guys

I never disagreed with that. I said Isiah might "try" to pull off a big trade like this one. He could also try one less ambitious with a player like Eddy Curry instead of Elton Brand (with Artest still being part of the deal).

Go show us how impatient you are by starting another complaint thread. It's been almost 24 hours. We all miss those threads so much.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 04/04/2005 08:58:31]

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by TMS:

let me get this straight...you were just on the other thread saying you would not trade Stephon Marbury for the #1 overall pick, yet you think the Knicks could possibly get Elton Brand & Ron Artest for Tim Thomas, Mike Sweetney, a probable #7 overall pick, & 2 late 1st rounders? aren't you being a bit inconsistent in your logic here Bonn?

[Edited by - TMS on 04/03/2005 21:03:47]

I thought the topic of this thread was if we got the #1 pick! Where are you getting this #7 pick idea from?

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 04/04/2005 00:10:51]

my bad...must've missed that.

No prob

Posted by fishmike:

its hard to predict, because with draft picks beauty is always in the eye of the begolder. I'm sure there are GMs that would give up the meat of their roster for a shot at Bogut or Williams. Im sure there are other GMs that think they will be good pros but thats about it.

The nice thing about a top 1-3 pick is there is very little guess work, ie you have leverage.

What you do is let teams your willing to move and see whats out there... The Hawks are dying for bigs, and who knows if they can land a Dalembert, Swift, Chander or anyone else... maybe you offer the #1 and Sweetney for the #2 and Josh Smith and the #32 pick. The Hawks at the very worst have Bogut/Sweetney going into next year and we have Ariza, MArvin Williams and Josh Smith at the 2/3 for the next decade.

Plus you get a high #2 where you can take a Euro player or HS kid that falls.

If I had to bet money I would say he just takes Bogut a) because thats what everyone says to do b) its 'safe' and c) it fills a team need anyway

fish, you really like this josh smith guy huh? I think the hawks took the wrong smith, they should have taken JR smith. I think josh, is a elite athlete, but below average ball player, he doesn't even move on the court like a ball player, I have my doubts about him still.. If we get the number 1 pick, I am seriously thinking IT should take marvin williams, then make a play for a big, maybe a chandler(who I am not so high on) or kwame, either way the pickings are slim...

Posted by TMS:

personally i think Josh Smith can be the next Vince Carter w/some more seasoning...he's got the athletic ability, he can block shots...he just needs more polishing on his offensive game, but he's only 19 years old...when he develops that jumper he's going to be a star...at the very least another Jason Richardson imho.

i don't see any way in hell ATL would trade a kid like that...it would be much more realistic to target a guy like Al Harrington if you want to deal w/them.

I agree with your comparison of Jason Richardson. When J-Rich came out of Michigan State after only one year in college everyone said he had no shot but he was an elite-athlete but if he ever developed that shot he'd be a star. Well. guess what, he's now developed a midrange game and even can shoot the 3ball. I see Josh Smith taking the same path like you've all said. If the Hawks were dumb enough to put this guy on the block then I'd be all for Isiah going right after him.

Posted by gunsnewing:

i dont see how its possible to compare a 6'9 SF to two 6'6 SGs in Jrich and Carter. I think Smith has more Shawn Marion in him then those two if he ever developes offensively because he's long, jumps high and blocks a ton of shots at the SF position. I don't think he'll ever become the shooter Carter and JRich are.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 04/04/2005 12:48:36]

Height doesn't mean much in this respect. Both JRich and Vince took the same path that Josh is taking right now, athletic, energetic dunkers who must refine their all around game becuase they play either the 2 or 3. Height really has nothing to do with this, are you going to tell me now that Dirk can't shoot becuase he's 7 feet tall?

i know that but josh smith does not have a promising looking jumpshot. Thats like saying Ariza can develop as good a jumpshot as dirk, carter, jrich.

what im saying is Josh Smith is 6'9 with a bad looking shot. Jrich might've missed a lot of shots but it wasn't crazy to expect him to become a good shooter since he has good form. Not a 6'9 guy with bad shooting form.



[Edited by - gunsnewing on 04/04/2005 13:20:18]

here's why I'm looking at a guy like Josh Smith. His jumper is awfull but he can finish. When you have guys that can get into the paint with the dribble like Marbury and Crawford you need some guys that can finish. Ariza is one... lets get about 5 more. JS can also block shots. I could see him being a 10/8/2.5 type of player that can be an impact on the defensive end.

I remember Isiah saying something about being fast and exciting. Since then he's extended Kurt Thomas and traded for Mo Taylor and Malik Rose. Tell me again why I shouldnt be scared

Posted by TMS:

personally i think Josh Smith can be the next Vince Carter w/some more seasoning...he's got the athletic ability, he can block shots...he just needs more polishing on his offensive game, but he's only 19 years old...when he develops that jumper he's going to be a star...at the very least another Jason Richardson imho.

i don't see any way in hell ATL would trade a kid like that...it would be much more realistic to target a guy like Al Harrington if you want to deal w/them.

I see josh smith a lot here in atlanta, and I don't see any of those guys in him at all, Josh, just seems so raw offensively I mean really raw,even more so than someone like ariza. Josh has no handle and when I mean no handle, I mean should not put the ball on the floor for more than 5 dribbles. His shot is atrocious, and he is good off the ball from the weak side blocking shots but he often looses his man, he looks real stiff, seems like he can't bend his back and get down to defend or penetrate... he looks like a really odd player but he is one hell of a leaper and dunker... But where will that take him? I don't know...

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TMS:

i'm not doubting for a second why you would be interested in Josh bro...just doubting how you could think Sweetney would be good enough to get him when ATL can simply draft themselves a much better prospect to play the PF position in the draft this season.

believe it or not, the Hawks can still get by with Harrington playing the 3 and 4, but right now they need a PG, the Hawks if they get the 3rd pick in the draft, will take chris paul, I am convinced, if they could add a chris paul, a sweetney, and put harrington at the SF spot and let childress play behind him for a couple of years until Harrington deal is over, then that is good for the hawks..

it's absolutely terrible for the Hawks if he goes on to become a star in another uniform...why wouldn't they simply draft Bogut w/the #1 pick & then sign a FA PG in the offseason? that would seem to be the more sound plan of action, wouldn't you say?