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Kwazimodal
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4/1/2005  1:29 PM
Layden and Isiah are giving us two kinds of lousy but at least with Isiah I get the feeling that he might turn things around.
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4/1/2005  1:29 PM
Answer this question, who gave Houston that big contract? Wasn't it Checkett and Layden????


Posted by Rich:

Checketts is right in much of his criticism, but he maybe overlooking the fact that the same force that was causing him to make short-sightedly dumb decisions, Dolan, is also causing Isiah to do the same thing.

The Knicks are screwed as long as his father owns the team.
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4/1/2005  1:40 PM
Posted by diderotn:

Answer this question, who gave Houston that big contract? Wasn't it Checkett and Layden????


Posted by Rich:

Checketts is right in much of his criticism, but he maybe overlooking the fact that the same force that was causing him to make short-sightedly dumb decisions, Dolan, is also causing Isiah to do the same thing.

The Knicks are screwed as long as his father owns the team.

According to Checketts on WFAN with M and the MD yesterday, it was Dolan's decision. He said he wouldn't have given Houston a max contract, either in terms of years or salary.
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4/1/2005  1:41 PM
Posted by Rich:
Posted by diderotn:

Answer this question, who gave Houston that big contract? Wasn't it Checkett and Layden????


Posted by Rich:

Checketts is right in much of his criticism, but he maybe overlooking the fact that the same force that was causing him to make short-sightedly dumb decisions, Dolan, is also causing Isiah to do the same thing.

The Knicks are screwed as long as his father owns the team.

According to Checketts on WFAN with M and the MD yesterday, it was Dolan's decision. He said he wouldn't have given Houston a max contract, either in terms of years or salary.
That's useless info. No one would be dumb enough *now* to admit to have played a role in the decision to give Houston that contract.
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4/1/2005  1:47 PM
I don't think anything Checketts said was wrong. He was implying that Dolan was the root of the team's current situation and the reason we have players who are to collect a check rather than win games.
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4/1/2005  1:51 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Rich:
Posted by diderotn:

Answer this question, who gave Houston that big contract? Wasn't it Checkett and Layden????


Posted by Rich:

Checketts is right in much of his criticism, but he maybe overlooking the fact that the same force that was causing him to make short-sightedly dumb decisions, Dolan, is also causing Isiah to do the same thing.

The Knicks are screwed as long as his father owns the team.

According to Checketts on WFAN with M and the MD yesterday, it was Dolan's decision. He said he wouldn't have given Houston a max contract, either in terms of years or salary.
That's useless info. No one would be dumb enough *now* to admit to have played a role in the decision to give Houston that contract.

Oh, I forgot. You were there.
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4/1/2005  1:52 PM
Posted by diderotn:

I see that you and Checkett see eye 2 eye. Dude, this is a team sport. It takes a team to win games, not one player. For you to blame this season on Marburry is absurd. Take a few seconds to analyse what you have said to see if you make any sense. Has Lenney done all that he could to put our team in the best situation to win? no. Have Kurt, TT, Houston, Crawf all been consistant this season? no. Oh, you can't see that far, my bad.
so when the team is bad its not Marbury's fault because he's only one guy, but its ok to blame Houston and his contract for the posititon we are in. How many guys on the roster do we have named Houston?
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4/1/2005  1:55 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Rich:
Posted by diderotn:

Answer this question, who gave Houston that big contract? Wasn't it Checkett and Layden????


Posted by Rich:

Checketts is right in much of his criticism, but he maybe overlooking the fact that the same force that was causing him to make short-sightedly dumb decisions, Dolan, is also causing Isiah to do the same thing.

The Knicks are screwed as long as his father owns the team.

According to Checketts on WFAN with M and the MD yesterday, it was Dolan's decision. He said he wouldn't have given Houston a max contract, either in terms of years or salary.
That's useless info. No one would be dumb enough *now* to admit to have played a role in the decision to give Houston that contract.

This is where you can't believe Checketts then. When asked by the same two morons about the Houston deal right after it happened. Checketts claimed he was the driving force behind that decision. He had the authority to do so. His defense was that other teams were talking to Houston. I remember it like it was yesterday because Joe and his overnight squad were killing Checketts, Mike and Dog that nite. Those guys don't take pride in their work if they let Checketts get away with saying something like that. But I don't doubt it that Dolan wanted to resign him but Checketts signed off on Houston's price tag.
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4/1/2005  1:58 PM
isiah - ariza, crawford, played sweetney

layden - frank (who was starting AND winning albeit for 3 games), drafted sweetney, lampe, vujanic, and still had 2 more #1's (the one's isiah traded)

isiah does have an advantage in actually contributing youth BUT layden, despite all his mismanagement, finally changed his ways over after the dice deal and USED his picks instead of trading them.

you can make a very good argument that frank would be good, if not already better, than ariza. you can make an argument that lampe would've gotten some minutes this season, especially AFTER layden signed him to 3 years (something isiah DID NOT do with ariza). and you could also make an argument that he could've drafted another solid player (considering his recent trend in his last 3/4 draft picks - frank, lampe, sweets).

i know it was layden's time to go b/c of what he did before his last year here. but in terms of setting us up for the future, it's not as far apart as made out to be, especially for the $$$'s involved.
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4/1/2005  2:00 PM
Fish, I can't believe that you have asked that question. Houston has only played 15 games this season; does that warrant his $20 million contract? 15 games???? comeon Fish, I know that you are a brilliant man, tell me that Houston's contract is not the reason why we couldn't acquire players like: Carter, Kobe, Shaq, etc?


Posted by fishmike:
Posted by diderotn:

I see that you and Checkett see eye 2 eye. Dude, this is a team sport. It takes a team to win games, not one player. For you to blame this season on Marburry is absurd. Take a few seconds to analyse what you have said to see if you make any sense. Has Lenney done all that he could to put our team in the best situation to win? no. Have Kurt, TT, Houston, Crawf all been consistant this season? no. Oh, you can't see that far, my bad.
so when the team is bad its not Marbury's fault because he's only one guy, but its ok to blame Houston and his contract for the posititon we are in. How many guys on the roster do we have named Houston?

[Edited by - diderotn on 04/01/2005 14:20:55]
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4/1/2005  2:02 PM
could it also be said that layden maybe didn't WANT to give up that much for marbury? that's why it was on the table and wasn't made until AFTER he was fired?

GULP - i can't believe i'm actually DEFENDING that clown

i don't think i would have had ANY problems if isiah brought in big time payroll as long as all of it expired the same year's as houston. but he didn't. and now this summer will make or break him. if he doesn't do something good this summer, he will be STUCK for a long long time.
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4/1/2005  2:04 PM
It's certainly possible.

[Edited by - Rich on 04/01/2005 17:32:11]
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4/1/2005  2:06 PM
You guys are insane. after 1 year, 1 full season, Isiah should not be criticize for the reason why we are such a bad team. He made some bad moves, the hiring of Lenny IMO was a bad move, especially right after he was named GM. Isiah should have taken his time to analyse the coaches that were available first. I agreed with the firing of Chaney, but he should have either promoted Herb as our coach for the end of the season and search for a much more capable coach after. I do believe that with Herb, we would have had a much better identity, especially after we've acquired Marb/TT/Nasr. We still had Deke at the time, and defensively we would have been a much bette squad.


Posted by djsunyc:

isiah - ariza, crawford, played sweetney

layden - frank (who was starting AND winning albeit for 3 games), drafted sweetney, lampe, vujanic, and still had 2 more #1's (the one's isiah traded)

isiah does have an advantage in actually contributing youth BUT layden, despite all his mismanagement, finally changed his ways over after the dice deal and USED his picks instead of trading them.

you can make a very good argument that frank would be good, if not already better, than ariza. you can make an argument that lampe would've gotten some minutes this season, especially AFTER layden signed him to 3 years (something isiah DID NOT do with ariza). and you could also make an argument that he could've drafted another solid player (considering his recent trend in his last 3/4 draft picks - frank, lampe, sweets).

i know it was layden's time to go b/c of what he did before his last year here. but in terms of setting us up for the future, it's not as far apart as made out to be, especially for the $$$'s involved.
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4/1/2005  2:15 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by diderotn:

I see that you and Checkett see eye 2 eye. Dude, this is a team sport. It takes a team to win games, not one player. For you to blame this season on Marburry is absurd. Take a few seconds to analyse what you have said to see if you make any sense. Has Lenney done all that he could to put our team in the best situation to win? no. Have Kurt, TT, Houston, Crawf all been consistant this season? no. Oh, you can't see that far, my bad.
so when the team is bad its not Marbury's fault because he's only one guy, but its ok to blame Houston and his contract for the posititon we are in. How many guys on the roster do we have named Houston?
Fish, all I have to say is this. At least you see Marbury on the court so you can criticize his game, say what he is doing wrong.I don't know what is going on with Houston. He is becoming myth more than man. All I can criticize is his suits. Having $21 million vested in one man who has been sitting on the sidelines for more than a year an half can't help this team.
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4/1/2005  2:25 PM
I guess that he has finally seen the light. he has yet to respond....

Fish, all I have to say is this. At least you see Marbury on the court so you can criticize his game, say what he is doing wrong.I don't know what is going on with Houston. He is becoming myth more than man. All I can criticize is his suits. Having $21 million vested in one man who has been sitting on the sidelines for more than a year an half can't help this team.
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4/1/2005  2:31 PM
So the fact that the situation was bad gives Isiah the right to make it worse?

[Edited by - nykdunk on 04/01/2005 14:33:17]
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Posted by nykdunk:

So the fact that the situation was bad gives Isiah the right to make it worse?

[Edited by - nykdunk on 04/01/2005 14:33:17]
Nope; the fact that it was bad gives Isiah the right to have more than 14 months to make it better

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 04/01/2005 14:37:25]
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4/1/2005  2:36 PM
Posted by diderotn:

You guys are insane. after 1 year, 1 full season, Isiah should not be criticize for the reason why we are such a bad team. He made some bad moves, the hiring of Lenny IMO was a bad move, especially right after he was named GM. Isiah should have taken his time to analyse the coaches that were available first. I agreed with the firing of Chaney, but he should have either promoted Herb as our coach for the end of the season and search for a much more capable coach after. I do believe that with Herb, we would have had a much better identity, especially after we've acquired Marb/TT/Nasr. We still had Deke at the time, and defensively we would have been a much bette squad.

it's actually 2 trading deadlines, 1 draft, and 1 offseason.
by november, it will be 2 trade deadlines, 2 drafts, and 2 offseasons - that's plenty enough to judge isiah as a good/bad/disastrous GM - that's why this summer will make or break him, ESPECIALLY after taking back $180+ mil in contracts which could be pushed over the $220 mil hump this summer.
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4/1/2005  2:37 PM
Ok Fish #2, look here, Isiah will get this thing right, but we can't criticize every move that the man makes. It takes time to get a team right. Look here, Grunfeld went to Washington and took more than a year to get his team on the right track, that was after Jordan had cleaned house and got the team with a pretty good cap position. This Knicks team was and still is in cap hell. It wasn't Isiah that gave: Houston, Anderson, Larry Johnson, Luc Longley, and plenty of others that are still collecting a pay check from us even until today. Give the man a freaking brake.

Posted by nykdunk:

So the fact that the situation was bad gives Isiah the right to make it worse?

[Edited by - nykdunk on 04/01/2005 14:33:17]
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4/1/2005  2:38 PM
Posted by diderotn:

Ok Fish #2, look here, Isiah will get this thing right, but we can't criticize every move that the man makes. It takes time to get a team right. Look here, Grunfeld went to Washington and took more than a year to get his team on the right track, that was after Jordan had cleaned house and got the team with a pretty good cap position. This Knicks team was and still is in cap hell. It wasn't Isiah that gave: Houston, Anderson, Larry Johnson, Luc Longley, and plenty of others that are still collecting a pay check from us even until today. Give the man a freaking brake.

Posted by nykdunk:

So the fact that the situation was bad gives Isiah the right to make it worse?

[Edited by - nykdunk on 04/01/2005 14:33:17]
LOL! You called him Fish #2
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