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3/30/2005  7:38 AM
Posted by JUNKMEIN:

Guns, I just saw Gerald Green in the Round Ball Classic in Chicago on the tube. Of course this was an allstar game so you're never going to see a players true A-game. I do believe Gerald Green is going to make at the very least a decent pro. I don't think he's going to be an instant star in the way that Lebron or Carmelo did. He does have crazy hops, body control and he's an exceptional passer. He looks to be around 6'6" as opposed to 6'8". I don't think he's worth not taking an equivalent Center prospect like a Johan Petro because we're going to have to wait on either of them. In fact, the most impressive player I saw on the Round Ball court was Kareem Rush's little brother (who ain't so little by the way). He has the most ready NBA body imo. I also got a look at Andray Blatche who based upon what I saw is a power forward. He's not a 7 footer. More like 6'9" ro 6'10". If we're gonna invest in someone that's a lock it's just not gonna happen because all of the sure thing immediate impact players will be gone by the time we choose. Gerald Green will not make an immediate impact like a Wade or Lebron. If we've got to invest in a project then it needs to be in a big. No, we need to address our need in the middle. PETRO all the way.

yeah but I rather wait on Green who might have at least some resemblemce to McGrady then wait on Petro who will problably amount to nothing but an okay raw center. You know what I'm saying? I know we need a center 1st abd foremost. I've been saying it since Ewing left. Difference is I've released the importance of not passing on the wades, amares,mcGradys, pierce for marginal talent like Petro who might not even play and sit on the IR instead.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 03/30/2005 07:45:34]
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3/30/2005  8:07 AM
I believe the next Amare, wade, mcgrady,pierce, marion or even a joe johnson who was picked 10th is in this draft and Isiah will spot him. Like he spotted mcGrady over:

2. Keith Van Horn Utah
3. Boston Chauncey Billups Colorado
4. Vancouver Antonio Daniels Bowling Green
5. Denver Tony Battie Texas Tech
6. Boston (from Dallas) Ron Mercer Kentucky
7. New Jersey (a) Tim Thomas Villanova
8. Golden State Adonal Foyle

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 03/30/2005 08:08:51]
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3/30/2005  8:15 AM
I don't know much about Green, but my one concern is he looks like Jamal Crawford. His body type is so damn thin I don't know I he can put on muscle. I liked T-Mac (not to blow my own horn, but I thought T-Mac would end up better than Vince at the time). At least McCants has a body to work with. I think that if Green measures in at closer to 6-6 and McCants measures in at a solid 6-3, it would be a tough decision for me.
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3/30/2005  8:22 AM
what's wrong with a 6-6 SG if he is 6-6 lol steven jackson abd reggie are thin. the reason i think mcCants can become a good SG at only 6-3 is because of his build. he's built like wade. otherwise i want nothing to do with 6-3 SGs it depends if Green impresses Isiah enough to pick over mcCants
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3/30/2005  8:29 AM
Draft two centers and trade one or two of our PFs for a SG. Guards are easy to come by, but Centers are not. Play it smart. We can always package Sweetney for a guy like Richardson, Joe Johnson, etc. How many big men are out there? not too many, but in the draft our chances at acquiring a decent or good center are greater.
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3/30/2005  8:31 AM
MLE type centers like Petro at his best is the easiest to find
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3/30/2005  8:37 AM
Guns! that is not smart thinking. You want to give a big contract to Curry/Kwame, etc, whom have yet to prove anything to this league, but you are not willing to take a gamble by drafting young unknown Centers? Come on dude, the smart to do is to draft a couple of big man since we don't have a center and free up the PF position by trading a couple of them for a SG. If it was that easy to find an MLE type center, Isiah would have found us one this season.
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3/30/2005  8:41 AM
Posted by diderotn:

Draft two centers and trade one or two of our PFs for a SG. Guards are easy to come by, but Centers are not. Play it smart. We can always package Sweetney for a guy like Richardson, Joe Johnson, etc. How many big men are out there? not too many, but in the draft our chances at acquiring a decent or good center are greater.

I think it is just alot of the McCants-Wade comparisons that have me thinking alot about Rashad....but I still don't know about Green....
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3/30/2005  8:49 AM
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Guns! that is not smart thinking. You want to give a big contract to Curry/Kwame, etc, whom have yet to prove anything to this league, but you are not willing to take a gamble by drafting young unknown Centers? Come on dude, the smart to do is to draft a couple of big man since we don't have a center and free up the PF position by trading a couple of them for a SG. If it was that easy to find an MLE type center, Isiah would have found us one this season.

then name me one center other than Illgaukus who wasn't a lottery pick but was an impact player right away?

all the other ones took years to develop into at the very best a decent center like Brezez who was drafted in like 97 and nenad kristic took 3yrs just to get here! then there's the frederic weis(#14), pavel podskline(#21), skita(#5) & alex redjovic's(#12) of the world!

You want to draft someone like that go ahead but I'm going to look for a potential star like a wade, amare, mcgrady, pierce, marion if I was Isiah.
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3/30/2005  8:55 AM
I have never liked the games of euro bigs...other than Z and Arvydis and Smits, they were all better suited to play th 3 or the 4.

Guns I agree, if there is the choice between taking a PG that has the potential of a Wade and a big man that has the potential to be Smits, I am taking the PG and worrying about the rest later. We have enough picks in this draft to take chances like that. Although Taft is still choice #1.
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3/30/2005  8:59 AM
exactly...we can take a chance chance on finding a project like a Kristic/Brezec later in the draft while upgrading the talent of our core immediately. Or you can trade the later picks or kurt to move up and draft Petro at around picks 15-20. We've put up with way too much this season to not walk away with a good player from this draft.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 03/30/2005 09:02:23]
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3/30/2005  9:13 AM
You snooze you loose in this league. When you have the chance, you have to take it. The biggest need in the NBA is at Center and PG, but the Center position is the most important. You can always find a SG/SF that can handle the ball as a PG a la Magic, Rose, Lebron, etc, but the need as Center will always be hughe, especially with the Yao, Shaq, etc still around. If we were to have one player that resembled a Center, I wouldn't mind going for Guard, but we don't. We have a 6'7" player playing Center, that is absurd. That is why this franchise will continue to plunge into mediocrity. That way of thinking is ludicrous.
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3/30/2005  9:28 AM
The center position is the hardest to fill but it is definately not the most important. A post player is the most important, not necessarily a center. Philly, Utah, Seattle, New Jersey have all made the finals without a center. SA (Duncan plays more PF than center, while Rasho plays C) and Detroit have won championships without a true center. Dominant C's are a great luxury to have and make the game easier but are not the key to anything. Look at the top teams this year. Only Miami in my eyes, has a truly dominant center.

look at the standings right now....I'll take the 2 top teams from every division...

ATL--Philly (Jackson, Dalembert--who isn't being used to his potential), Boston(Blount, LaFrentz)

CEN--Det(Wallace and Rasheed, neither is a true center)
Chi(Chandler is dominant, but plays more PF, Eddy Curry is decent bu not dominant)

SE--Miami(Shaq, Doleac, Mourning)
Wash(Haywood? Ramos?)

NW--Seattle(Jerome James, Potapenko)
Denver(Camby, Nene)

PAC-Phoenix(Amare, who was a PF last year)
Sacramento(Miller who has been out for a while and was an undrafted FA when he came intot he league)

SW--San Antonio (Rasho, Nazr, Duncan-who plays more PF than C)
Dallas (Bradley?! Dirk??-moved there out of necessity--I don't even know who plays center the most on this team)


C's are not too important if you got the right system and other players...Post players, not necessarily C's are important, IMO.

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3/30/2005  9:40 AM
Posted by diderotn:

You snooze you loose in this league. When you have the chance, you have to take it. The biggest need in the NBA is at Center and PG, but the Center position is the most important. You can always find a SG/SF that can handle the ball as a PG a la Magic, Rose, Lebron, etc, but the need as Center will always be hughe, especially with the Yao, Shaq, etc still around. If we were to have one player that resembled a Center, I wouldn't mind going for Guard, but we don't. We have a 6'7" player playing Center, that is absurd. That is why this franchise will continue to plunge into mediocrity. That way of thinking is ludicrous.

what you said would make sense if we had the #1-2 pick and a shot a Bogut. I would love franchise center. is Petro a franchise center? NO
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3/30/2005  9:44 AM
How do you know that for sure??? Did you know much about Nowitsky before he came in the league? no. Stop prejudging. I don't know much about Petro even when I am French. I could care less who we bring in at Center, we just have to address that position, because it has been our achiles hill since Ewing.

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Posted by diderotn:

You snooze you loose in this league. When you have the chance, you have to take it. The biggest need in the NBA is at Center and PG, but the Center position is the most important. You can always find a SG/SF that can handle the ball as a PG a la Magic, Rose, Lebron, etc, but the need as Center will always be hughe, especially with the Yao, Shaq, etc still around. If we were to have one player that resembled a Center, I wouldn't mind going for Guard, but we don't. We have a 6'7" player playing Center, that is absurd. That is why this franchise will continue to plunge into mediocrity. That way of thinking is ludicrous.

what you said would make sense if we had the #1-2 pick and a shot a Bogut. I would love franchise center. is Petro a franchise center? NO
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3/30/2005  9:52 AM
Posted by diderotn:

How do you know that for sure??? Did you know much about Nowitsky before he came in the league? no. Stop prejudging. I don't know much about Petro even when I am French. I could care less who we bring in at Center, we just have to address that position, because it has been our achiles hill since Ewing.

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Posted by diderotn:

You snooze you loose in this league. When you have the chance, you have to take it. The biggest need in the NBA is at Center and PG, but the Center position is the most important. You can always find a SG/SF that can handle the ball as a PG a la Magic, Rose, Lebron, etc, but the need as Center will always be hughe, especially with the Yao, Shaq, etc still around. If we were to have one player that resembled a Center, I wouldn't mind going for Guard, but we don't. We have a 6'7" player playing Center, that is absurd. That is why this franchise will continue to plunge into mediocrity. That way of thinking is ludicrous.

what you said would make sense if we had the #1-2 pick and a shot a Bogut. I would love franchise center. is Petro a franchise center? NO

Dirk is a SF/PF not a Center

neither is peja or ginobili
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3/30/2005  10:00 AM
Don't let the position that those guys play fool you. They are Centers. 7' who don't want to guard the other team's big men, because they are the main scorers for their respective teams. PFs? are you nuts? Duncan, Garnett, Dirk, O' Neal, are all Centers...On paper they are reported as PF/SF, but they are all Centers..
Dirk is a SF/PF not a Center

neither is peja or ginobili
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3/30/2005  10:29 AM
Posted by diderotn:

Don't let the position that those guys play fool you. They are Centers. 7' who don't want to guard the other team's big men, because they are the main scorers for their respective teams. PFs? are you nuts? Duncan, Garnett, Dirk, O' Neal, are all Centers...On paper they are reported as PF/SF, but they are all Centers..
Dirk is a SF/PF not a Center

neither is peja or ginobili

you've left me really puzzled right now
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3/30/2005  10:35 AM
Sorry I confused you, but We need a big man, whether he plays like Garnett, Dirk, Duncan, etc. Can Pietro or whomever be that guy? I don't care, but we need a serviceable big, not Kurt.



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Posted by diderotn:

Don't let the position that those guys play fool you. They are Centers. 7' who don't want to guard the other team's big men, because they are the main scorers for their respective teams. PFs? are you nuts? Duncan, Garnett, Dirk, O' Neal, are all Centers...On paper they are reported as PF/SF, but they are all Centers..
Dirk is a SF/PF not a Center

neither is peja or ginobili

you've left me really puzzled right now
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3/30/2005  10:42 AM
Posted by diderotn:

Sorry I confused you, but We need a big man, whether he plays like Garnett, Dirk, Duncan, etc. Can Pietro or whomever be that guy? I don't care, but we need a serviceable big, not Kurt.



Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by diderotn:

Don't let the position that those guys play fool you. They are Centers. 7' who don't want to guard the other team's big men, because they are the main scorers for their respective teams. PFs? are you nuts? Duncan, Garnett, Dirk, O' Neal, are all Centers...On paper they are reported as PF/SF, but they are all Centers..
Dirk is a SF/PF not a Center

neither is peja or ginobili

you've left me really puzzled right now

yeah we need the 6-10 260 Chris Taft or a potential star SG
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