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diderotn
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3/27/2005  12:16 AM
Twice now since Kurt has returned, we are losing in close situations...With Sweetney on the court at the end of games, we have won so far...
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3/27/2005  12:17 AM
Sweetney has a big body, and you have to account for that...Not only that, he is an excellent rebounder..

Posted by gunsnewing:

what a surprise we can't rebound down the tretch again just like lastnight with Kurt on the floor instead of Sweetney.Luckily im not blindly rooting for a win tonight like I was lastnight.
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3/27/2005  12:18 AM
Posted by diderotn:

Twice now since Kurt has returned, we are losing in close situations...With Sweetney on the court at the end of games, we have won so far...

exactly!
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3/27/2005  12:19 AM
This one should be blamed on Herb for failing to realize that Kurt is not at 100% and shouldn't be on the court over a younger, fresher, more mobil body like Sweetney.....He made the same mistake last night
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3/27/2005  12:23 AM
Posted by diderotn:

This one should be blamed on Herb for failing to realize that Kurt is not at 100% and shouldn't be on the court over a younger, fresher, more mobil body like Sweetney.....He made the same mistake last night

not so much that he's more mobile but the fact that he has had a great knack for the ball ever since college and he goes and gets it instead of waiting for the rebound to fall in his hands. He ready to get the ball as soon as it goes up!

I blame Kurt more because he demands that he be put intogames as he did during yesterday's collapse. then again the head coach and GM should control who's in the game not the players



[Edited by - gunsnewing on 03/27/2005 00:26:59]
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3/27/2005  12:24 AM
Posted by nyballer:

it's so frustrating seeing how good tim thomas can be - and im not talking about him getting hot, when he's playing well he sees the court well,plays extremely smart, and is a great high post passer. he can hit the 3 and take his defender downlow, hes got so much athleticism and a nice shot around the hoop. why is he so inconsistent? it really is frustrating...

my point exactly...
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3/27/2005  12:24 AM
Our entire team sucks but yes KT is really bad.
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3/27/2005  12:30 AM
I hate to say this, but we really can't go through another season playing like this...Something has to be done to fix our front court...It is either we keep Kurt or trade Sweetney; same goes for Crawf and Houston... We have to find a way to improve our SG position and the Center spot...Enough with the two 6'8" center combo...That **** is wortless, and has cost us many games
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3/27/2005  12:31 AM
Another crushing defeat, what else is new.

I guess the only thing we have left to look forward too is that low lottery pick.

Man, aside from like the Hawks, the Knicks seem to be the worst franchise upside wise out there.

Marbury played a perfect game today, too, about as good as he can be and so did TT. I think this is just what they are, not enough talent on the team.

Maybe its coaching, but I'm really at a loss for explanations for all the close losses. No one thing can explain this.
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3/27/2005  12:32 AM
I disagree with the GM part. I think that when it comes to having plyers on the court, it falls solely on the coach...When it comes to a particular roster, yes, both the GM and the coach are responsible..in this case, Isiah is responsible for the roster, but as far as the players on the court tonight, it falls on Herb.
[not so much that he's more mobile but the fact that he has had a great knack for the ball ever since college and he goes and gets it instead of waiting for the rebound to fall in his hands. He ready to get the ball as soon as it goes up!

I blame Kurt more because he demands that he be put intogames as he did during yesterday's collapse. then again the head coach and GM should control who's in the game not the players



[Edited by - gunsnewing on 03/27/2005 00:26:59]
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3/27/2005  12:36 AM
Despite the fact that we player pretty well, but the combo of those two is the reason why we lost tonight...We didn't have the third scorer in Jamal or Kurt that could have helped us win, but above all, we did an excellent job playing a pretty good team...There is no reason to walk around with our head down, because we pushed them to a fifth quarter...I don't believe in moral victories, but if this Knicks team played like this all season long, we would have had a totally different record by now...Isiah should have done those two deals much sooner, and he should have fired Lenny much earlier also...
We will do better next game; we will have a couple of Ws at the end of this trip..
and tonight, Herb, Crawf and Kurt destroyed us....We had a pretty good opportunity to win those two games, but the return of Kurt and the inability of Herb to properly manage a game have killed any chances that we had to gain ground...I don't want to hear any complaints from Herb, because he could have had a better strategy to defend Ray Allan in the second half, and most of all, he should have been wise enough to know that Kurt is unhealthy and shouldn't be on the court when it matters the most...JYD, Sweetney, and others could have offered us a much better chance, especially on the board at the end of the fourth, but no, he had to put his friend Kurt in the game....



Yes, judging from last night and this game, I will say that both coaching and lack of talents have much to do with our record...Coaching, because it is his decision to rely on Kurt and Crawf down the stretch...personally, I wish that he would allow all of our players to merit the playing time that they are receiving...Sweetney has better stats than Kurt all season long, and in all actuality, we could find a much better replacement for Crawf from using combo lineup...He is not a 3 point shooter, but he waistes all of his shots shooting the 3s...He did the same last night, and tonight....That boy is truly horrible...


[Edited by - diderotn on 03/27/2005 00:41:10]
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3/27/2005  1:04 AM
disappointing loss, but I can't say I am sad that tim thomas has stepped up and mike sweetney is still getting minutes and the starting spot despite his lack of production (in general and overall). It is encouraging that we are playing like this on the road. Versus seattle, on national tv, tim thomas attacked the basket and we dominated in the paint (first time you can say that in a while), but we couldn't hit a 3, we might as well shot half-court heaves... tonight, we simply lacked a scoring punch... marbury logging heavy minutes for extended stretches is never going to be a good idea
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3/27/2005  1:09 AM
The time has come to shut Marb down...That boy did what he could with the marginal talents that he had around him...if N.Y. blame him for our record they will all need to go and burn him hell. The dude showed up everynight...The same can't be said for Houston, TT, Crawf, Lenny, Herb, and other high prize garbages that we have around.

Posted by teslawlo:

disappointing loss, but I can't say I am sad that tim thomas has stepped up and mike sweetney is still getting minutes and the starting spot despite his lack of production (in general and overall). It is encouraging that we are playing like this on the road. Versus seattle, on national tv, tim thomas attacked the basket and we dominated in the paint (first time you can say that in a while), but we couldn't hit a 3, we might as well shot half-court heaves... tonight, we simply lacked a scoring punch... marbury logging heavy minutes for extended stretches is never going to be a good idea
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3/27/2005  11:01 AM
It's been time to cut down on his minutes for a while now. Unfortunately I missed all but the first 6 minutes of the game after falling asleep.
No way I'm missing the LA game on Monday.

Anyway, Happy Easter fellas. I'll have to catch up on the board later tonight.
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3/27/2005  11:05 AM
Too bad we don't have a rookie point to give minutes to. Time to move on and forward to a brighter future! Reezy and Sweets should play starters min no matter how good others are playing. They should get run, and the lack of min is not going to hurt trade value. Gaze is inconsistant, but at lesast he still has it. No more min is not going to hurt or help his trade value if it even is a reality.

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3/27/2005  11:33 AM
Sigh. Every time this team gets you believing it has turned the corner, they fall right back down. If they can salvage two wins to end the trip, they're still alive, but I don't know. I think Golden State is going to be the toughest team we've faced so far and the Lakers still have Kobe and will be mad about the game at MSG.

Man, this team just does not have the confidence or defense to close out close games on the road. That's really what seperates the good teams from the mediocre teams in this league. Almost half of the Knicks games this year have come down to the final two minutes and they are probably only 10-25 or something in those games. They have to learn how to finish. Part of that is getting a shot blocker to D up.

But I think a big part of it has to be Marbury learning how to take over the last two minutes. He was on fire in the 4th, but then he defered at the end and we lost. He has to save some gas to drive to the hole in the last two minutes.
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3/27/2005  11:58 AM
or the ability to rebound down the stretch with Sweetney out of the game in the 4th. in our wins against the celtics and spurs Sweetney was grabbing key rebounds down the stretch. Then Kurt game back and we lost to seattle and portland because we couldn't rebound or play defense down the stretch because a particular player was in the game while another was on the bench.
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