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Silverfuel
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3/26/2005  12:45 PM
Posted by tkf:

If you ask me, I think Houston when he was healthy a few years ago was just as dangerous
If it is just scoring offense then yes, Houston was on the same level. Ray Allen, atleast this year is getting everyone on his team involved. He passes very well and I've seen him dribble and break down defense's. With that said, I dont think we need Ray Allen.
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3/26/2005  12:54 PM
This team totally needs a guy like Ray Allen for his shooting alone. Plus he's a smart player. Very smart. I could actually consider giving up Marbury for him, b/c you can find penetrating guards in other areas. That's if, of course, you didn't consider the salaries and health of the players. ray Allen is 30, looking for an Allan Houston like contract, and he obviously has lost a step. He doesn't take it to the hoop nearly as much as he used to. Again, very smart player. Great player. Better than Allan Houston, besides that one year when Houston scored 50 twice. But he's close to hitting the wrong side of the hill. Not the type of player you want to give Allan Houston money to. We learned from giving Allan Houston that contract, didn't we?
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3/26/2005  12:57 PM
If this team gets a guy like Ray Allen, they would have to change the way the team is setup. With the current team, we dont need Ray Allen as much as we need a post presence on Offense and on Defense.
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3/26/2005  1:15 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

This team totally needs a guy like Ray Allen for his shooting alone. Plus he's a smart player. Very smart. I could actually consider giving up Marbury for him, b/c you can find penetrating guards in other areas. That's if, of course, you didn't consider the salaries and health of the players. ray Allen is 30, looking for an Allan Houston like contract, and he obviously has lost a step. He doesn't take it to the hoop nearly as much as he used to. Again, very smart player. Great player. Better than Allan Houston, besides that one year when Houston scored 50 twice. But he's close to hitting the wrong side of the hill. Not the type of player you want to give Allan Houston money to. We learned from giving Allan Houston that contract, didn't we?

thats the problem...just because we're getting rid of one problem doesn't mean we not adding potentially worse problems. at least Marbury is younger and less injury prone. We're not winning a championship with Ray Allen especially if he misses multiple seasons because of his knees which is very possible since he's already having more problems with his knees much sooner than Houston started having his!
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3/26/2005  1:25 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:

If this team gets a guy like Ray Allen, they would have to change the way the team is setup. With the current team, we dont need Ray Allen as much as we need a post presence on Offense and on Defense.

we need perimeter defense too though. every good team has a perimeter defender. We had Ewing and Camby but we also had starks, spree
& childs. Miami has Wade, the Spurs have Bowen/ginobili, dallas has finley/howard, Houston has Jon Barry/Sura detroit has Rip, and all we is have crawford and marbury.

The only team that doesn't is Phoenix but they are a completely different team. They give up 100pts but score 120 because they out run with the athletes and shooters they have. But they're still not winning a championship because they don't have a Center. Lastnight proved that when Miami destroyed them.

and since a great center is really hard to find we should draft a SG if he is the best player available unless there's a really good 6-11+ player left but good centers go early in the draft for the most part.

If only we could trade Marbury for a another lottery and draft both a good Center and a good SG. or at least hopefuly trade Kurt Thomas for a mid to late 1st rounder and draft a solid center like Petro.

if we can somehow draft both Gerald Green & Johan Petro we'll be in excellent shape in the future!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 03/26/2005 13:29:04]
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3/26/2005  3:20 PM
Posted by tkf:

The knicks need to draft a SG and a big man, I don't want ray allen and his soon to be 30 years old wanting a 50 year deal... I don't want flip murray who is a damn chucker, nut... I don't want rebraca or bobby simmons, two average players. I want some guys with true upside, who can run the court like gazells and play both sides of the ball... I would settle for larry Hughes right now....

I agree with that. Larry Hughes would be a excellent addition to the Knicks but its going to be extremely hard to get him. Washington is going to do everything in their power to keep him because they got a nice team that just needs a big man to man the post position. I got to disagree with you on Bobby Simons though, I think he'd be a nice pickup for mid level money, I know he isn't the sexiest name out there but he does play good defense and score a bit, which is what the Knicks need. If Larry Hughes is available then by all means, please do what it takes to get him Isiah... I just don't think its too likely.
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3/26/2005  3:34 PM
Personally, I thought that we could have done a better job guarding Ray last night...We should have doubled him much sooner and get the ball out of his hands and have someone else beat us...JYD and Rose are both better suited to bring the double team because they are both good defenders...We should have had Crawf assigned to guard him and JYD or Rose rushing Ray each time he catches the ball. He killed us everytime TT switched with Marburry...That was a huge mistake by Herb for not constantly doubled Ray....
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3/26/2005  3:53 PM
Posted by tkf:

enyspree, for crying out loud, you are like a kid in a toy store, every toy other than your own is a great toy, and the next toy is always better than the last one..

Sheesh.....

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3/26/2005  3:56 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:

If this team gets a guy like Ray Allen, they would have to change the way the team is setup. With the current team, we dont need Ray Allen as much as we need a post presence on Offense and on Defense.

Craw plays like Ray....the only thing is Craw has no clue when to shoot or when to drive. He does neither very well. Ray is a smarter player than Craw and Ray right now is cold as ice.....he's unflappable.

If anything Ray would fit right in and the offense will flow better.
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3/26/2005  4:05 PM
I believe Flip Murray can come in and be a more consistant scorer. The guy has proved he can pass and handle the ball very well. He might not even get the whole mid-level.

Guys like Hughes would be nice but Hughes was in Flip Murray's boat just last season. People said he was just a chucker. Hughes this season has been a monster in every aspect of the game.

I just think Ray Allen is the number one choice, then Hughes, but if the big names can't get here than Flip could be a cheap low risk option.
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3/26/2005  4:06 PM
Some of you dudes are nuts! Ray Allen can shoot the lights out, he can handle like a guard and he can also play above the rim. The guy is smooth and under control. And most importantly, he's clutch! I jave a lot of respect for his game.
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3/26/2005  4:07 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by Silverfuel:

If this team gets a guy like Ray Allen, they would have to change the way the team is setup. With the current team, we dont need Ray Allen as much as we need a post presence on Offense and on Defense.

Craw plays like Ray....the only thing is Craw has no clue when to shoot or when to drive. He does neither very well. Ray is a smarter player than Craw and Ray right now is cold as ice.....he's unflappable.

If anything Ray would fit right in and the offense will flow better.

until he has to have surgury to replace his Knees at only 32, which is already forcing him to miss games, and doesn't play a full season again but still collects $20million while on the bench in street cloths
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3/26/2005  4:09 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by Silverfuel:

If this team gets a guy like Ray Allen, they would have to change the way the team is setup. With the current team, we dont need Ray Allen as much as we need a post presence on Offense and on Defense.

Craw plays like Ray....the only thing is Craw has no clue when to shoot or when to drive. He does neither very well. Ray is a smarter player than Craw and Ray right now is cold as ice.....he's unflappable.

If anything Ray would fit right in and the offense will flow better.

until he has to have surgury to replace his Knees at only 32, which is already forcing him to miss games, and doesn't play a full season again but still collects $20million while on the bench in street cloths
I also see a problem with Ray and Stephon playing on the same team. For some reason, I cannot see them playing together. I like Ray Allen as a player but I dont want him sharing the backcourt with Steph.
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3/26/2005  4:09 PM
Posted by TheloniusMonk:

Some of you dudes are nuts! Ray Allen can shoot the lights out, he can handle like a guard and he can also play above the rim. The guy is smooth and under control. And most importantly, he's clutch! I jave a lot of respect for his game.

He can also spend a lot of time on the injured list. We need players who will actually contribute on the court. Not be a good citizen on the bench in a suit and get paid $20million for it.
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3/26/2005  6:23 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by tkf:

enyspree, for crying out loud, you are like a kid in a toy store, every toy other than your own is a great toy, and the next toy is always better than the last one..

Sheesh.....



hahahah.. toughlove enyspree, tough love man.... you know it's all good...
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3/26/2005  6:34 PM
i really doubt if allen and tt could ever share the same uniform again. allen has very little room for improvement, but if you plan to show him the money at 18-20 mil he better be a self starter. jamal is the type of player you mentor in having him grow in your system. this does require a little fan patience. so i hope getting another sg is not zeke's top priority.
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3/26/2005  7:19 PM
Allen and Marbury would compliment each other perfectly on offense. When you have a guard that can penetrate as effectively as Marbury, it's perfect to have a shooter who's as dependable as Allen. (Allen's a great all around player too--not just a great shooter.) I don't care if he needs surgery at 32. If you get 3 good years and 3 so-so years out of him, that's fine with me. You know how much I care about Dolan's money.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 03/26/2005 19:20:49]
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3/26/2005  7:27 PM
by 3 so-so years you mean in a suit on the bench right?

not worth the risk he's already missing a ton of games at only 30yrsold. last thing we need is for us to be in the exact same position we are in now. with a guy making 20mil and not contributing but keeping us frpm acquiring championship players.
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3/26/2005  7:35 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by tkf:

enyspree, for crying out loud, you are like a kid in a toy store, every toy other than your own is a great toy, and the next toy is always better than the last one..

Sheesh.....



hahahah.. toughlove enyspree, tough love man.... you know it's all good...

I know man but....words can sting you know.

I may seem put together and confident, yada yada yada......but inside I am a fraigle little child cowardly cringing at the spectacle that we call life.

Shame on you for stealing what little bit of......lol....

OK ok....I'll stop,

[Edited by - enyspree on 03/26/2005 19:37:25]
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