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Clean
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3/25/2005  2:43 PM
Posted by codeunknown:

I'll man up when we win a championship with Rose and Taylor. Until then, nada.

By the way, the reason we're playing better is Tim Thomas, plain and simple. Also, Nazr is better than Rose - people forget that he was double-double before the hand injury. Even more importantly, why do we care if we're playing better now - we need every ping-pong ball in the lottery.

So what your saying is that we would have won a championship with Naz, Vin and Cooch? If not then where are you going with that championship statement?
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3/25/2005  2:50 PM
i think the fact that robert horry is starting over Nazr says all there is to say about what San Antonio thinks of Nazr and his atrocious defense and bad offensive skills. The only good thing they go out of the trade is that they now have a big body and an ok backup center instead of a 6'4'' PF who is a great teammate and plays numerous positions and great defense and is savy who had no place on good spurs team with guys like duncan, ginobili, barry and bowen in his way. He is a lot more valuable to us then to the Spurs who can afford to lose him

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3/25/2005  2:55 PM
Posted by Clean:

[quote]Posted by codeunknown:


So what your saying is that we would have won a championship with Naz, Vin and Cooch? If not then where are you going with that championship statement?

The argument is simply that the only goal should be a championship. Taylor's production now is meaningless. We will not win a championship while he's tenured here. So getting excited about the occasional double-double he will post is absurd. The Taylor trade set us back in terms of assets, albeit minutely. The philosophy of the trade is sacrifice future assets to make tolerable the present mediocrity. Thats unacceptable.
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3/25/2005  3:06 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

i think the fact that robert horry is starting over Nazr says all there is to say about what San Antonio thinks of Nazr and his atrocious defense and bad offensive skills. The only good thing they go out of the trade is that they now have a big body and an ok backup center instead of a 6'4'' PF who is a great teammate and plays numerous positions and great defense and is savy who had no place on good spurs team with guys like duncan, ginobili, barry and bowen in his way. He is a lot more valuable to us then to the Spurs who can afford to lose him
Are you serious? Horry's starting now over Nazy? That's hilarious! I don't hate Nazy by any means; I liked him and his effort. But I think it's hilarious that they gave up 2 1st rd picks for a guy who can't even start ahead of Horry.
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3/25/2005  3:06 PM
i bet when Detroit got Billups, ben wallace, richard Hamilton and Prince most thought they were pretty mediocre too. What if taylor has a Billups like effect on the Knicks and Butler has a ben wallace effect and ariza has a prince like effect. And craw matures and we have a great draft and then H20 finally becomes an ex-knick.

Then all of a sudden next year with Herb or Jackson coaching will look pretty good.
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3/25/2005  3:11 PM
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by Clean:

[quote]Posted by codeunknown:


So what your saying is that we would have won a championship with Naz, Vin and Cooch? If not then where are you going with that championship statement?

The Taylor trade set us back in terms of assets, albeit minutely.
Minutely is such a key word. I'd agree 100% with that sentence. I'd rather have Baker's and Norris's expiring contracts this offseason, but instead we'll have Taylor's the following year.
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3/25/2005  3:15 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:


Are you serious? Horry's starting now over Nazy? That's hilarious! I don't hate Nazy by any means; I liked him and his effort. But I think it's hilarious that they gave up 2 1st rd picks for a guy who can't even start ahead of Horry.

And some thought he was the key to the deal...
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3/25/2005  3:17 PM
Once again, stop lumping the two trades together. Everyone likes the Rose trade, we got 2 1st round picks in it.

It is the Mo Taylor trade that people hate. And the reasons we hate it have more to do with his contract and the fact that we gave up a 2nd round pick then with anything he will ever do on the court.

So if you like trading for expensive, longterm role players on the downside of their career, meanwhile giving up expiring deals and raft picks for them, MAN UP!
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3/25/2005  3:18 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:


Minutely is such a key word. I'd agree 100% with that sentence. I'd rather have Baker's and Norris's expiring contracts this offseason, but instead we'll have Taylor's the following year.

And who's to blame for that?
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3/25/2005  4:11 PM
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by Bonn1997:


Minutely is such a key word. I'd agree 100% with that sentence. I'd rather have Baker's and Norris's expiring contracts this offseason, but instead we'll have Taylor's the following year.

And who's to blame for that?
Isiah Thomas. I've agreed with most of what he's done, but definitely not everything
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3/25/2005  4:12 PM
Posted by simrud:

Everyone likes the Rose trade, we got 2 1st round picks in it.
I believe Fish gave the trade a C-
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3/25/2005  4:14 PM
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by Bonn1997:


Minutely is such a key word. I'd agree 100% with that sentence. I'd rather have Baker's and Norris's expiring contracts this offseason, but instead we'll have Taylor's the following year.

And who's to blame for that?

I also blame Thomas for turning that 6mil in expiring next year into 10mil the year after.
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3/25/2005  4:15 PM
I give it about a C or C+. I love Rose, but truth is, I think we could have done much better in another trade, over the Summer for Nazr. Plus, I didn't want to add anymore old PFs. I wanted to draft a guy like Warrick. Now, if we don't trade any of them this Summer, and we draft a guy like him, it's going to be very very difficult for him to find playing time and even develop. And these around even top notch PFs on our team. When KT is your best PF (As well as shooter) then that's really not a good sign, unless he's playing center with an elite PF.
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3/25/2005  4:28 PM
Posted by Clean:


I also blame Thomas for turning that 6mil in expiring next year into 10mil the year after.

Great, then we all agree on something atleast.
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3/25/2005  7:28 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

I give it about a C or C+. I love Rose, but truth is, I think we could have done much better in another trade, over the Summer for Nazr. Plus, I didn't want to add anymore old PFs. I wanted to draft a guy like Warrick. Now, if we don't trade any of them this Summer, and we draft a guy like him, it's going to be very very difficult for him to find playing time and even develop. And these around even top notch PFs on our team. When KT is your best PF (As well as shooter) then that's really not a good sign, unless he's playing center with an elite PF.
I don't care about how many PFs there are right now. Just pull off some Weatherspoon for Norris type of deals to clear up room. It's SO easy to do that. It took Isiah about two days to pull off that trade.
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3/25/2005  9:02 PM
i don't care if we have 15 pfs, as long as we are playing to win.

so we can't beat up on shaq, we can take him to the very last second...nobody else has a center that intimidates me with their size, so I'm thinking PF/C, what's the difference these days.

Chad article on the best PF's listed like 3 centers...so, I'm thinking that while we have 5 pfs, we really have two centers in Rose and Kurt and 3 pfs in sweets, Mo and JYD.

Am I missing anyone...oh yeah, that 6-10 guy from the cba and the 7 foot bench warmer, but other than that, we still have a solid squad.

Rose guarded shaq when he was on the lakers...that's a center to me.

come knicks, win tonight so the good vibes continue through the board...I've even agreed with simrud a couple of times...and that's scary for all of us. (kidding sim, you know I luv ya)
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3/26/2005  1:24 AM
well were 8-5 now. since we couldnt hold another lead.
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3/26/2005  8:31 AM
>> well were 8-5 now. since we couldnt hold another lead.

C'mon, are you REALLY bitching and moaning about taking Seattle into overtime?

Oh yeah, I forgot... fire Isiah and fire Herb Williams.

This team is a far cry from the squad that played in January. It is establishing an identity. of toughness on defense and playing inside out ball on offense.

Pay attention to the gradual climb

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