Posted by joec32033:

Posted by bigpimpin:

the Clippers have said that they are going to lock up Simmons and let Maggette walk

how do you let Maggette walk when they just signed him to a long term contract over the summer? If you mean they would trade Maggette, I would love to get my hands on him OR on Simmons...you think the Clips would take Sweets and an expiring contract for Maggette? The clips have like NO bad contracts at all...

Maybe Penny and Sweets and a lottery protected first rounder for Maggette, Wilcox, Jaric and filler

joec, i only repeated what i heard the clippers say

i hope i am not the only one who has the nerves to admit to Briggs that we rather see trevor Ariza at sf for the Knicks than richard simmons. i mean bobbie simmons


the knicks need an inside presence. we don't need a pg, a sg, a sf

we need someone to do work inside the low blocks and i'm not talking about mike fat albert sweetney EITHER!

Posted by gunsnewing:

i don't think simmons is anything special. sure he's doing okay on a bad team but he's not a star. Doesn't excite me as much as a desmond mason would for example. Problably because simmons will be too overweight to play SG in a couple of years. He's really a SF. bad FG%. I don't think he'll make us any better

Simmons shoots 47.6% Last time I checked that was a really good percentage for a perimeter player scoring around 17 a game...

Posted by bigpimpin:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by bigpimpin:

the Clippers have said that they are going to lock up Simmons and let Maggette walk

how do you let Maggette walk when they just signed him to a long term contract over the summer? If you mean they would trade Maggette, I would love to get my hands on him OR on Simmons...you think the Clips would take Sweets and an expiring contract for Maggette? The clips have like NO bad contracts at all...

Maybe Penny and Sweets and a lottery protected first rounder for Maggette, Wilcox, Jaric and filler

joec, i only repeated what i heard the clippers say

I remember the report...I posted about a trade for Maggette after I read about it on hoopshype about 2 weeks ago......The article said something about Brand and Maggette not getting along. I was just confused about you saying they would let Maggette walk....Trading Maggette is different than letting him walk...no big deal...

Posted by gunsnewing:

there's more too it. I just dont think he'll put up those numbers on a team with less talent as the Knicks.

thats kind of goofy since the knicks ahvent been over .500 in 4 years. I guess everyone stinks. Remember the Clippers actually have a better record than us!

I haven't had the chance to see Simmons play, but he does have some nice stats. How much of a natural 2 is he? He seems just a bit heavy. Here are some other SGs for comparison:

Houston: 6-6, 205
Kobe: 6-6, 220
McGrady: 6-8, 210
Allen: 6-5, 205
Carter: 6-6, 220

I'd take Simmons for the MLE if he could reproduce the season he's had this year, easy. The question is if he'll reproduce it, or if it's somewhat of a fluke/contract year thing. It's kind of tough to pay big bucks to a guy who's only had one good season under his belt.

If this season is indicative of the type of play Simmons can put up long term, he probably deserves (and very well could get) a bit more than the MLE. The MLE is set at the average player salary, and the average PER of NBA players is set at 15. So a PER of 17 should get you slightly more than the MLE. However, given the relatively small number of teams with big cap room this offseason and the relatively high number of FA SGs this offseason, Simmons could easily slip through the cracks.

true true. but i still think Sims is a great pickup. if we dont get him i think we should try and get flip murray http://unlimited.nba.free.fr/freeagentseng.htm

Actually, according to knickerblogger.net, Simmons' Turnover rate (9.2) is almost identical to Marbury's (9.5) and Crawford's (9.3). Unfortunately, I'm having trouble tracking down how TO-r is calculated. But KB's got some good stats, so this one seems meaningful. I imagine it takes TOs per 40 minutes, adjusts for pace, and then divides by Usage rate, or something like that.

Briggs, man, you always come up with great stuff. I love this idea.

I completely agree: bigs are far more likely to be overvalued than SG. Simmons may not be a TRUE SG, but he can easily play there and he'll be a guy who can guard the Vince Carters, RJs, Kobes, Tmacs of the world. We don't need Simmons to come and be a scorer, but his size, solid athleticism, youth, defense and rebounding will be welcome.

People need to get over this idea that we're going to swipe some superstar for the MLE. We'd be lucky to get Simmons, in fact. But it's more in the realm of possibility than say, Larry Hughes.

One caveat: I'd want to start Simmons at SF or bring him off the bench. I think Craw and Marbury need to start together. Right now, Craw is the defacto point guard and Marbury is playing off the ball, and it's working insanely well. I think Marbury needs to play with another guy with playmaking skills, because it makes his skill set (drive and dish) all the more valuable. Obviously, there'll be times when we want to D up and Simmons would play the SG, but I think one of the few chances this team has to be special will be the continued development of Crawford.

If the Simmons thing seems unrealistic (and it might be as they are talking about making a full MLE contract more like 4yrs $22 rather than 6yrs $40 in the new CBA), I would advocate drafting Julius Hodges, a long, rangy slasher who can play D, with the 28th pick.

I really like the idea of snagging Petro with the first pick.

Posted by gunsnewing:

who says we're going to swipe a top-notch SG with the MLE? maybe split it between shotblocking center and a backup PG. SG can be addressed through the draft since it is deep at the guard position and it would be very inexpensive. I rather take a chance on finding the next arenas than spending money on another potential shandon anderson situation. plus I'm not even sure he's a SG

A) Shandon was good. Ya know who looks like a young Shandon? Trevor. Shan just had a falling out with Zeke and got exposed playing the two, which he can't do.

B) Simmons has played the two all year, with Corey at the three and he has not gotten exposed: the Clips have had a solid season and lost just as many if not more heartbreakers than the Knicks.

C) which shotblocking center do you propose to add for half of the MLE? which back up pointguard? This is what we have to address with the three draft picks we have this year, we can't keep adding players. We'll already have to cut some people to fit the draft picks. I'd love to add Stephen Hunter for the MLE (full or 75%, half won't get it done), but people seem reluctant to sign a 23yr old 7 footer and instead lust after Samuel Dalembert who Philly will probably max out this summer.

Posted by crzymdups:

A) Shandon was good.

Blasphemy! Shamdon had a pretty decent 02/03 season for us, but even then, his PER topped out at 13.4. That was sandwiched between PERs of 8.0 and 10.1-- truly dreadful. Definitely NOT anywhere close to his contract value. I doubt Simmons would ever play that badly for us, but it is a legitimate fear that he might be playing a bit over his head this season to get a fat contract.