Yeah, I hate hearing the talk too. I hate the trade just as much as the next, but he's our guy now, so I have to root for him, just like everyone else. It's not like he's destroying the team chemistry and is some evil being.

an ex alkie center that Isiah signed for $8mm. Its not like he replaced some Layden mistake. He replaced his own mistake with a bigger mistake. Maybe he will trade Mo Taylor and another draft pick for Adonal Foyal.

Briggs....my take on the trade was this....If I was to make only two deals from the team we had before the trade deadline, would the Mo Taylor trade be one of them, the answer is no.

Do I think Zeke pulled off some phillabuster of a deal that we robbed the Rockets? No.

Do I think Mo is going to have a career resurgance in NY and avg 20 and 10 and returnt to the promise he showed in LA...No.

Were Vin and Moochie's contracts so important to ANY trade I would want the the Knicks to make..No.

Is there any trade I can think of that we can make with any team that Vin or Moochie's contract would be absolutely needed and the deal could not be amended to fit the personel and contracts? No

Are Vin and Moochie considered a dealbreaker in ANY trade I would want the Knicks to make? Absolutely not.

I think that the Mo Taylor trade (from a personel standpoint) makes more sense than the Rose trade (THAT is the trade that actually created a redundancy of Rose and JYD..At the very least Taylor gives us an offensive post player we didn't have before).

I would have loved to wait to see what was available in a sign and trade, but once again, I don't thinknnot having Vin or Mooch OR their contracts will really hinder us in any way. Mo is a better player than both Mooch or Baker. We traded off a little flexibility contract wise in a trade to be able to say that this player actually may help you out on the floor and has something to work with. Now a team May actually take on a Mo Taylor a year early, not just in his contract year, because he can help them in other ways than just coming off their books at the end of the year.

Like I said, this is not the iudeal trade I would've made, but it definately is not the type of trade that requires so much attention and hatred spewing, IMO.

saying Mo is better than Vin or Moochie is being happy about eating Bird crap because the other option was dog crap.

At least with Malik we get picks back and a player thats a consumate team guy and professional. A guy thats dedicated to defense and hard work. EXACTLY the guy you want your young players around.

Quit crying about Houston. Houston was a top 10 NBA scorer and had some monster years. Overpaid? Yes, and now he's hurt. Life goes on. Why is having Houston on a roster a free pass for making bad deals? What sense does this make?

Posted by fishmike:

saying Mo is better than Vin or Moochie is being happy about eating Bird crap because the other option was dog crap.

At least with Malik we get picks back and a player thats a consumate team guy and professional. A guy thats dedicated to defense and hard work. EXACTLY the guy you want your young players around.

Quit crying about Houston. Houston was a top 10 NBA scorer and had some monster years. Overpaid? Yes, and now he's hurt. Life goes on. Why is having Houston on a roster a free pass for making bad deals? What sense does this make?

and who are you to say we won't get some kind of value back for Taylor!

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by fishmike:

an ex alkie center that Isiah signed for $8mm. Its not like he replaced some Layden mistake. He replaced his own mistake with a bigger mistake. Maybe he will trade Mo Taylor and another draft pick for Adonal Foyal.

Was there ANY truth to the rumour tha signing Baker was a package deal to get Crawford to sign a favorable contract to get here since they share the same agent? I remember that going around for a little bit over the summer.

Fish...It is a second round pick! You can pick up a second round pick in this league for a future pick 100 years (exaggeration) down the road...We didn't give up an unprotected first round pick coming off a 20 win season......That has to be taken into perspective.

joe, if frank williams, deke, othella, and cezary can return a 24 year old jamal crawford, don't you think vin, moochie, #2 can yield something better than a non defensive playing 29 year old PF that likes to shoot?

Posted by djsunyc:

you know what makes me even more pissed, it's the fact that sweetney is gone. we CAN NOT keep 5 PF's on the roster and only two are moveable - kurt and sweets. later sweets - i'll see you at the all star game wearing somebody else's jersey.

has isiah's M.O. been to overpay for everything? is that what he meant by unorthodox ways of fixing this?

no thats Layden's M.O. go check out Allan Houston's contract as wellas shandon/eisely/spoon & knight's for more info

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by fishmike:

an ex alkie center that Isiah signed for $8mm. Its not like he replaced some Layden mistake. He replaced his own mistake with a bigger mistake. Maybe he will trade Mo Taylor and another draft pick for Adonal Foyal.

Was there ANY truth to the rumour tha signing Baker was a package deal to get Crawford to sign a favorable contract to get here since they share the same agent? I remember that going around for a little bit over the summer.

Fish...It is a second round pick! You can pick up a second round pick in this league for a future pick 100 years (exaggeration) down the road...We didn't give up an unprotected first round pick coming off a 20 win season......That has to be taken into perspective.

joe, if frank williams, deke, othella, and cezary can return a 24 year old jamal crawford, don't you think vin, moochie, #2 can yield something better than a non defensive playing 29 year old PF that likes to shoot?

so its the end of the world becaue Isiah made this trade! name another jamal crawford who is out there that we can LEGITIMATELY get! Even if there is one, is Crawford having that great an inpact on the Knicks that its worth bitching about over and over again while Allan Houston has been collecting 20mil a year for 7yrs!

What does Houston have to do with this?

Why are you bringing up Houston and Layden, we are talkin about IT's track record here.

Layden stunk, but IT has not been much better.

Maybe you should get over Houston and Layden man.

The reason some of us are so upset is because we had to actually watch Mo fuc@cking taylor play tonight! He is pathetic, his futility is in the league of Fatspoon and Shanderson!

And we got him 2 WEEKS AGO! We might has well have gotten Webber if we were gonna take on salary, at least Webber can play.