Posted by fishmike:

Having seen Reggie, Wade, Ray Allen, Rip, Jordon, Stockton, Jason Williams, Steve Nash, Tim Hardaway, Payton and Harper to name a few AI is the best I have ever seen.

I was lucky enough to live in Philly when AI was first drafted and went to plenty of his games. The teams SUCKED and the house was about half empty or less, so tickets were practically given away or it was easy enough to buy the cheap tickets and just wander down to the front. Heck, I remember a few times where Andrew and I would see Cosby at a close range chatting it up with the players before the game during warmups!

AI is unreal. Definitely at his own speed. I just can't imagine if he had the core group of guys that Jordan, Bird or Magic had around him. Or even Shaq for a few years - Kobe seems not so hot anymore (or less hot - thanks Walton!) than he has the same kind of players AI has had all his playing career.

Posted by Bonn1997:

I didn't know what you meant by seen, but I still think it's a joke to call Iverson better than Jordan.

So give me your prediction on how far Iverson and Webber will go this year in the playoffs? I think Jordan plus a 21/11/6 PF would make it out of the 2nd round in the east. So, I'm sure you're predicting at least the conference finals for Iverson and Webber, right?

Bonn man, "seen" means "in real life on the court". Not "AI is an overall better basketball player than Jordan".

This is what Nalod means by snit and rubbing the people the wrong way.

Posted by martin:

Posted by Bonn1997:

I didn't know what you meant by seen, but I still think it's a joke to call Iverson better than Jordan.

So give me your prediction on how far Iverson and Webber will go this year in the playoffs? I think Jordan plus a 21/11/6 PF would make it out of the 2nd round in the east. So, I'm sure you're predicting at least the conference finals for Iverson and Webber, right?

Bonn man, "seen" means "in real life on the court". Not "AI is an overall better basketball player than Jordan".

This is what Nalod means by snit and rubbing the people the wrong way.

Martin, I think you misread what fish said. He said he *has* seen Jordan and that Jordan was sick but AI is still the best guard he's ever seen. Wouldn't that mean AI is better than Jordan? If I misunderstood, then I apologize. But it seems pretty straightforward to me. No need for name calling like "snit" Martin. I know you don't usually do that kind of stuff and you probably just misunderstood what Fish had said.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 03/02/2005 12:29:43]

Posted by Allanfan20:

Am I the only one that got a chuckle out of that last post? Thanks Bonn.

No problem. I know Martin doesn't come here to annoy people. I think he just misunderstood what Fish meant when he said that he saw Jordan and Jordan was sick but AI was the best guard he'd ever seen.

Posted by eViL:

This thread is screaming for Nalod.

hehe. I'm hoping that this thread can actually stay on the topic of basketball. I'm interested in Fish's answer to the question about how far he thinks a PG better than Jordan will go in the east with a 21/11/6 PF. (Or Fish can clear it up if he didn't mean that AI was better than Jordan when he said he'd seen both but AI was the best guard he'd seen.)

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 03/02/2005 13:08:54]

Posted by martin:

Posted by Bonn1997:

I didn't know what you meant by seen, but I still think it's a joke to call Iverson better than Jordan.

So give me your prediction on how far Iverson and Webber will go this year in the playoffs? I think Jordan plus a 21/11/6 PF would make it out of the 2nd round in the east. So, I'm sure you're predicting at least the conference finals for Iverson and Webber, right?

Bonn man, "seen" means "in real life on the court". Not "AI is an overall better basketball player than Jordan".

This is what Nalod means by snit and rubbing the people the wrong way.

pretty much but lets move on from it...

You asked

So give me your prediction on how far Iverson and Webber will go this year in the playoffs? I think Jordan plus a 21/11/6 PF would make it out of the 2nd round in the east.

Here's the thing... I dont think Webber is a 21/11/6 PF. He's been good but I have seen 4-5 Kings games. He thrives between Bibby and Miller and does a good job knocking down shots in their motion offense. This isnt the Webber of 5 years ago. He's a different player. Also it might take those 2 some time to adjust to each other. Webber isnt good on defense anymore, so he doesnt have that to fall back on if his shot isnt going down. Phili might not even make it. Bos is deeper. If they do make it depends on the matchup. I dont know what Phili is going to be like. Ive seen those 2 play together once now. Maybe the chemistry wont be there, maybe it will be great.

Bonn1997 is the best poster I've ever seen.

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AI is great, but he's no Jordan. I don't think anyone would try to say that AI is better than Jordan. But AI is super impressive, he does so much with so little. He's pretty much a little dude with slight build that kills on the NBA level. There's not too many like him. Does he make his teammates better? That's a big question. Does he have the same fire and competitive spirit that some of the greats have? That's another big question.

If you put Jordan in his prime on the current Sixers team against current competetion - I don't know if he wins the championship this year.

Pharzeone, who's the star or good player that couldnt wait to get away from Iverson? Whos the best player he ever played with?

The closest I can think of is Jerry Stackhouse. They were drafted b2b by Phili and could have been the league most explosive backcourt ever. It didnt work out as it often doesnt (see Kidd, Mashburn, Jackson exibit A)

Iverson shoots 30 shots.. who on Phili do you want taking more?

If he is the best guard you've ever seen, don't you think frontcourt players would be dying to play with him. They could sign with him as an FA or they could have begged their teams to do everything possible to trade for him. There were times when Philly wasn't extremely fond of him. If he is the best guard you've ever seen, wouldn't a guy like Duncan, Shaq, Garnett, etc. be begging their owners to trade everything possible to get him on the team? Yet somehow no star PF or C has ever hinted at wanting to play with AI.

I don't see Shaq, Garnett and Duncan begging to play with any PLAYER. They just beg to win a championship. Duncan will prolly win another one. Shaq is already playing with a guy who could eventually become better than Iverson. Garnett's entire team is a mess right now, and he's known to be one of the biggest prima donnas (Spelling?) in the league. He hasn't begged to play with anyone however, b/c he knows he can do it all. He knows he just needs the right SUPPORTING cast.

As far as everyone else, I think they just want to go where the championship is a definite possibility. Philly hasn't been one of those places lately. LA has (Besides this year) so a lot of people have wanted to go there.

iverson is DAMN good. but it's tough to compare him against the other guards b/c of this build. he's in a completely different phsyical class. he's like shaq in that respect. physically, his familiars are players like spud webb, mugsy bogues...players along those lines. he's an AWESOME player, perennial 1st team all NBA and gives it his all. there's nothing negative you can say about him. whether he's the best ever or not, that's completely based on one's opinion but supporting cast will give a player a "winner" label but that doesn't take away from his "great" label.

with that said, history has shown that a player that dominates the ball most of the game, is the team's best scorer, AND is responsible for setting up the offense, those teams don't usually win big. iverson as a SG is better for the team that as a PG. i think the same goes with marbury. if they dominate the ball that much and are the team's best scorers, then the rest of the players and the offense are not being set up well enough to win a title. that's how i see it. those assist numbers are a byproduct of their offensive prowess. with that said, that doesn't take away from their individual greatness.