I don't understand why you guys are so hard on Penny.

Th last 11 games he has been balin, hitting his shot averagin 11 pts of the bench.

He also did a good job on Kobe last night, till the 4th and OT anyways.

He is just a solid bench player, and the way he has been playin the past few games, more then solid at that.

He looks the most healthy he has ever been as a Knick.

because he slows down the offense by taking perimeter shots which we definitely don't need and he takes a lot of them and bricks them most of the time.

hopefully tt is returning to the expectations that caught zeke's eye.

Posted by diderotn:

Isiah is smart enough to value TT for what he is worth....I don't think that there is any team in the league willing to give TT a huge contract again.....His best bet will probably be to remain a Knicks...

GOD~I hope not...if you know TT like you say you do you'll know this guy is not the type of player most Knick fans want wearing the Orange & Blue...we want guys with grit, determination, heart & passion...TT is about as gazy as they come when it comes to those things...he's got talent up the wazoo but is never motivated to use it to its fullest potential...the only reason i'm happy to see him playing better of late is so that his trade value goes up somewhat & he can be unloaded in the offseason...i want Ariza playing SF in the coming years, not Gazy.

i wonder if things dont work out in denver, would karl be interested in tt. ray allen [nervous with no contract] has already voiced his opinion playing for karl.

First I'll start with Tim Thomas then I'll get to the Penny slowing down the offense arguments.

Don't be fooled by what Tim Thomas is doing for the Knicks right now. He has done this before and he even did it last year right after the Knicks traded for him from the Bucks. The guy has unlimited potential but he'll NEVER get right. He should be shooting 15 foot jumpers, posting up and driving to the hoop everytime down the floor but no... he settles for 3pointers. You just don't have an epiphany in your 8th year in the league on how you really should be playing your game on the floor ...it just doesnt happen. 7 games from now you all will be calling for his head on the trading block in the summer.

Now about Penny. The guy has been playing a solid role on the bench for us, he's been knocking down his jumpers and too me, he is by far our most reliable person to be inbounding the ball. To anyone that says he slows down the offense with is 3 pointers then your wrong becuase he has taken 4 3's in his last 5 games. By the way, last I checked all Jamal Crawford does is jack up 3's. Crawford takes 16 shots a game and 7 of them are 3's. The guy is shooting the 3 at a 35% clip, now thats slowing down the offense. Penny has been more then a solid bench contributor, you just have his contract stuck in your head.

That's fine that he won't be a Knick but don't insult his play when he's actually been playing good ball. Obviously him and Isiah have a understanding on how much he will be playing this year or else he would not be with the Knicks right now. Remember not to long ago Penny wouldnt even report back to the Knicks after his injury was cleared up? Take it up with Isiah if you want to complain about Trevors playing time becuase him and Penny must've come to agreement or else Penny would have been bought out and playing elsehwere right now.

penny has been decent but what about the 2 games he costed us because he had flash backs of 95 and went like 2-11 in the 4th quarter? I honetely don't think he has played all that well. Its a given that he's going to get 11pts in 32mins. Heck even Shandon can do that in 32mins!

GOD~I hope not...if you know TT like you say you do you'll know this guy is not the type of player most Knick fans want wearing the Orange & Blue...we want guys with grit, determination, heart & passion...TT is about as gazy as they come when it comes to those things...he's got talent up the wazoo but is never motivated to use it to its fullest potential...the only reason i'm happy to see him playing better of late is so that his trade value goes up somewhat & he can be unloaded in the offseason...i want Ariza playing SF in the coming years, not Gazy.

My favorite post in this thread. Especially the last sentence. If it wasn't for the fact that he actually does seem to be raising his value, I would be hoping for some kind of injury, not big, but enough to keep him off the court. (Does that make me such a horrible person?)
Can't wait for the Ariza era to begin.

I totally agree with you about Penny, but I somewhat disagree about TT. As I have said earlier, this dude is not known for going out and play a full season, he is at his best in the second half of an 82 games season. Now, what must happen is as follow, since his contract will expire very soon, Isiah should utilize him wisely...We know what he can bring and when he can bring it, therefore Isiah should offer him a maximum of 6.5 or 7 million dollar contract to stay with the Knicks...Believe it or not, we can use this dude in the second half of the season, especially if we have good spacing for him to operate. With a strong frontcourt, TT with his length and athleticism can find plenty of room to operate...If you don't believe me, I am willing to go on record to say what I am about to say "TT will average at least 22/5 for the rest of the way, especially if Marb and the other ball handlers go to him"......As for Penny, we have to let him go, because TT and Ariza can pull that load. Houston is a lost cause, in my opinion he really needs to retire. Unlike Grant Hill, his game is purely one dimensional. He does one thing good and that is shooting the jumper... Now that he no longer has his leggs, forget about it...It is just like Stojakovic, suddenly he is having back problems, that is deadly for a shooter...

Posted by nyk4ever:

First I'll start with Tim Thomas then I'll get to the Penny slowing down the offense arguments.

Don't be fooled by what Tim Thomas is doing for the Knicks right now. He has done this before and he even did it last year right after the Knicks traded for him from the Bucks. The guy has unlimited potential but he'll NEVER get right. He should be shooting 15 foot jumpers, posting up and driving to the hoop everytime down the floor but no... he settles for 3pointers. You just don't have an epiphany in your 8th year in the league on how you really should be playing your game on the floor ...it just doesnt happen. 7 games from now you all will be calling for his head on the trading block in the summer.

Now about Penny. The guy has been playing a solid role on the bench for us, he's been knocking down his jumpers and too me, he is by far our most reliable person to be inbounding the ball. To anyone that says he slows down the offense with is 3 pointers then your wrong becuase he has taken 4 3's in his last 5 games. By the way, last I checked all Jamal Crawford does is jack up 3's. Crawford takes 16 shots a game and 7 of them are 3's. The guy is shooting the 3 at a 35% clip, now thats slowing down the offense. Penny has been more then a solid bench contributor, you just have his contract stuck in your head.

With Nazr gone it opens up KT to play the 5, so then TT can post up down low, and be open more when he plays the 4.

Plus, the Knicks are also playing defense which leads to open buckets for TT considering he's faster then most 4's and much taller then 3's.