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Solace
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2/17/2005  7:58 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
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I don't see what the argument is. Dallas was putting out 6'7" and 6'8" centers all last year and couldn't beat any team with a real center because of it. Antoine Walker and Danny Fortson were playing center for them last year!

I absolutely think they should've resigned Nash, but if it was between Nash and Dampier, I can't fault them either. Devin Harris was a great pickup with the #5 pick. Dampier is a top 5-7 center. He's not putting up as much numbers because EVERYONE who goes to Dallas has their numbers, minutes and role dropped, so, of course, their numbers go down a little. Point is that Dampier is the first legit center they've had in a while and it's really paying off.

The trade you should be knocking them for is how they gave up Fortson for Booth. Fortson's been real good for Seattle.
How about re-signing Nash and drafting Al Jefferson instead of getting Dampier? Jefferson's probably about as good as Dampier already right now (he just gets far fewer minutes) and then you get to keep Nash.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 02/17/2005 07:56:05]

Hmmmm... that would've been an alternate plan. Depends on if you think that Al Jefferson is a better pick at number 5 than Devin Harris. I'm not at all convinced of that. Maybe trading down to get Jefferson might've been warranted, though.
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2/17/2005  10:13 AM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Solace:

I don't see what the argument is. Dallas was putting out 6'7" and 6'8" centers all last year and couldn't beat any team with a real center because of it. Antoine Walker and Danny Fortson were playing center for them last year!

I absolutely think they should've resigned Nash, but if it was between Nash and Dampier, I can't fault them either. Devin Harris was a great pickup with the #5 pick. Dampier is a top 5-7 center. He's not putting up as much numbers because EVERYONE who goes to Dallas has their numbers, minutes and role dropped, so, of course, their numbers go down a little. Point is that Dampier is the first legit center they've had in a while and it's really paying off.

The trade you should be knocking them for is how they gave up Fortson for Booth. Fortson's been real good for Seattle.
How about re-signing Nash and drafting Al Jefferson instead of getting Dampier? Jefferson's probably about as good as Dampier already right now (he just gets far fewer minutes) and then you get to keep Nash.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 02/17/2005 07:56:05]

Hmmmm... that would've been an alternate plan. Depends on if you think that Al Jefferson is a better pick at number 5 than Devin Harris. I'm not at all convinced of that. Maybe trading down to get Jefferson might've been warranted, though.
I'd much rather have Al Jefferson, but the real question is would you rather have Nash and Jefferson or Harris and Dampier
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2/17/2005  12:09 PM
Tough call. Really depends on how good Harris and Jefferson wind up being.

I liked the Dampier move because centers are so difficult to acquire.

If Dampier isn't starting in two years, while Nash is still putting up MVP numbers, Harris looks to be a good, but not great point guard and Jefferson is dominating, then we'll know our answer.

Anyway, hindsight is 20-20. I think Harris was a good pick at #5. I think the Mavs did okay, even if there was, arguably, a better scenario out there.
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2/17/2005  12:51 PM
exactly Solace...hindsight is always 20/20...i didn't hear many people objecting to Cuban's decision to not overpay for Nash & instead use his draft choice to take Harris on draft day & get the cap flexibility to work some moves to upgrade his weak frontcourt, which everyone knew needed to be addressed in the offseason last year if they were to have any hope of winning a title.

unfortunately no one ever has a crystal ball when moves like this are made...i didn't kill Cuban then & i won't kill him now after i've already seen how the moves played out...if they end up making the Finals this year then who's to say he made the wrong choice?
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2/17/2005  1:34 PM

Way too early to judge this trade. Damp is just starting to put up numbers, and Harris has a few years to develope.

I think its very simple, they went as far as they can with Pluto Nash and figured they needed to go in a different direction. No doubt Nash is the real deal, but the Mavs must think long term and 65mil for a point who needs his wheels to be effective, and at his age is not a long term good idea. The point is a hard postition to learn and Harris will need time. Terry is more of a two, but the bottom line is the Mavs are doing well, rebuilding on the run, and realized they hit the wall, and try somthing different.

The biggest mistake Dallas made was being very loyal to finley and max him out. He is breaking down. His history of injury was not solid (like H20) to give him vault. This will hurt them.

Cube is starting to care about his cap position.

Hedwig, just cuz the knicks don't know how to manage money does not make it right. We are the laughing stock of all sports to have the highest payroll with so little in returns!
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2/17/2005  1:55 PM
the numbers dont say what Dampier has meant to that team. He's been what they wanted, a tough physical inside force. He's not Shaq but hes a very good banger and the Mavs are a better team because of it.

Is Nash going to play like this for 2-3 more years? hard to say... Stockton's body held up for a long time but Nash is more physical and gets whacked a lot more. I think he's the same age as Iverson. Nash is a hell of a player but keep in mind he's got incredible talent around him and his game is built on that motor of his.

Cuban's a good business man and I think he made a good decision at the time. Still think its a good decision despite Nash's great success in Pho
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2/17/2005  2:05 PM
Posted by fishmike:

the numbers dont say what Dampier has meant to that team. He's been what they wanted, a tough physical inside force. He's not Shaq but hes a very good banger and the Mavs are a better team because of it.

Is Nash going to play like this for 2-3 more years? hard to say... Stockton's body held up for a long time but Nash is more physical and gets whacked a lot more. I think he's the same age as Iverson. Nash is a hell of a player but keep in mind he's got incredible talent around him and his game is built on that motor of his.

Cuban's a good business man and I think he made a good decision at the time. Still think its a good decision despite Nash's great success in Pho
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2/17/2005  2:05 PM
Posted by fishmike:

the numbers dont say what Dampier has meant to that team. He's been what they wanted, a tough physical inside force. He's not Shaq but hes a very good banger and the Mavs are a better team because of it.

Is Nash going to play like this for 2-3 more years? hard to say... Stockton's body held up for a long time but Nash is more physical and gets whacked a lot more. I think he's the same age as Iverson. Nash is a hell of a player but keep in mind he's got incredible talent around him and his game is built on that motor of his.

Cuban's a good business man and I think he made a good decision at the time. Still think its a good decision despite Nash's great success in Pho
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2/17/2005  2:45 PM
What if they had kept Nash and traded Dirk for Shaq (which LA reportedly wanted to do)? They could be in better shape to get a few championships
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2/17/2005  2:57 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

What if they had kept Nash and traded Dirk for Shaq (which LA reportedly wanted to do)? They could be in better shape to get a few championships

I believe the Lakers wanted Dirk, either Nash or Finley and another player. The Mavs weren't sure they wanted to part with Dirk and wanted to use Walker instead of Dirk. That was where the deal broke down.

In all honesty, the Lakers got a lot less from the Heat than they asked for from the Mavs. I guess that's just how it goes.

But, yes, if the Mavs could've gotten Shaq for a fair price (no Nash), kept Nash, they could've built a team that looked something like Shaq, Walker, Stack, #5 pick, Nash. Would've been a sick team.
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