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Bippity10
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2/11/2005  2:43 PM
I agree with Diderotn. Everything being equal on the draft board go with the guy from the big name coach over the guy from the no-name coach.

I did find issue with one thing you said. And I quote: "During the draft, Isiah needs to truly concentrate on young players that are from good programs, I.E. North Carolina, Duke, Kentucky, Ucon, Syracuse, etc"

Should be written: "During the draft, Isiah needs to truly concentrate on young players that are from good programs, I.E. Uconn, North Carolina, Those that we don't speak of, Kentucky,S yracuse, etc

Basketball more than any other game is a game of habits. In football you have 45 seconds after each play to decide what you need to do. In baseball you have an hour between pitches. In basketball the action never stops. You have to decide between 10, 15, 20 courses of action on every play. A coach can tell you 500 times to play defense a certain way, but in the end you will fall back on your habits.

Guys like Gordon and Heinrich have had coach's that made them earn whatever they got. Gordon was a star at Uconn and Calhoun was harder on him than anyone on the team. He knew if he didn't give a Calhoun effort he would sit. So now he's in the pros. When Skiles talks he remembers those lessons Calhoun taught him. He appreciates the results he got from that effort and when Skiles talks he has no reason not to listen. He doesn't need to be "motivated". The only thing he knows is to buckle down and play hard. Its a habit for him. Even when he is sick he will play hard, because that's all he knows. If Skiles is the coach he will play hard. If Lenny Wilkens or Don Chaney are the coach's he will play hard. If you or I was the coach he would play hard. It's a habit.

Guys like TT and Stephon come from a different perspective. Theseare guys that were pampered at a young age. They were so big, strong and quick at a young age that they didn't have to play hard to win. They didn't have to rely on teammates. They were never threatened with being benched. They developed bad habits. Now they are in the pros and these coach's have to try to teach them otherwise. Imagine a child that is pampered and handed everything without earning it. By the time that child is an adult he doesn't know how to go out and get a job and earn a living. Same with these guys. Guys like TT honestly think they are working hard. They don't understand the criticism. They have been told for 26 years that what they are doing is great. Now they are on the Knicks, they don't understand why their effort is not acceptable. They need to learn. Some guys hopefully will, the others should be shipped out as we continue our development process. This is why guys like TT are continually traded. Coach's in the NBA don't have the patience with guys they have to "motivate" to play hard. They want guys that have developed the habit of playing hard long before they got there and don't need to be begged and prodded to do what they are supposed to do.
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2/11/2005  2:59 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Nalod:

Bonnie,

Whats your take on Jamals Sampsons Physical attributes?
never seen him play. From what I've heard, he sounds okay to give a 10 day contract to
Nalod was just wondering if you thought he had a body "worth checking out"

Swoosh!

Great post Bip.
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2/11/2005  3:41 PM

Bipp,

Good take, I wrote recently about "high charactor guys", but you did a great job articulating that concept much better than I did.

To even stretch the point of having "habits", that is the true nature of strong fundamentals! Having a high I.Q. is not born from intellect, but from forging the habit into instinct!

Good job!
Bippity10
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2/11/2005  3:46 PM
That's actually straight out of my notes from JVG's coaching clinic.
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2/11/2005  4:49 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Nalod:

Bonnie,

Whats your take on Jamals Sampsons Physical attributes?
never seen him play. From what I've heard, he sounds okay to give a 10 day contract to
Nalod was just wondering if you thought he had a body "worth checking out"

Swoosh!
LOL! I'm sure Nalod would have been thinking about that
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2/11/2005  5:08 PM
Absolutely right on, Bippity. It's just like self-defense on the street - When an attack situation comes up, all the theory in the world is useless, unless defensive moves have been made second-nature by force of habit...Most martial artists will tell you a black belt is useless in a street fight unless you train daily. I think same applies to stuff like diving for loose balls. Get the guys who already got the download, and half the job is done.
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2/12/2005  11:21 AM
THANK YOU BIP!!!

I've been trying to tell people for about forever that people who are good defenders, or play defense all the time ISN'T b/c there coach tells them or motivates them to play defense. The Artests and Bowens and Sprewells (When younger) were all great defenders, b/c they motivated themselves all the time. And some of the not so good defenders like ALLAN at least tried hard just about all the possesions, and he got dogged, while others who don't try hard get by, b/c he has the "Potential" to be a good defender in the future.

Coaches mean a lot, but if we keep firing them or letting them go, then we aren't going to win a championship, b/c there will be no stability within' the organization.
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2/12/2005  12:31 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Nalod:

Bonnie,

Whats your take on Jamals Sampsons Physical attributes?
never seen him play. From what I've heard, he sounds okay to give a 10 day contract to
Nalod was just wondering if you thought he had a body "worth checking out"

Swoosh!
LOL! I'm sure Nalod would have been thinking about that

Dude, what happened to you? YOu used to be funny, have a comeback wit, but you have no smack left. Its cool, we done. Peace. Just watch the snits.
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2/12/2005  2:17 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Nalod:

Bonnie,

Whats your take on Jamals Sampsons Physical attributes?
never seen him play. From what I've heard, he sounds okay to give a 10 day contract to
Nalod was just wondering if you thought he had a body "worth checking out"

Swoosh!
LOL! I'm sure Nalod would have been thinking about that

Dude, what happened to you? YOu used to be funny, have a comeback wit, but you have no smack left. Its cool, we done. Peace. Just watch the snits.
I guess you got knocked down too many times and can't get up anymore. I don't want to damage you anymore. So, I'm done with you
diderotn
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2/12/2005  3:07 PM
Dude! great post.



Posted by Bippity10:

I agree with Diderotn. Everything being equal on the draft board go with the guy from the big name coach over the guy from the no-name coach.

I did find issue with one thing you said. And I quote: "During the draft, Isiah needs to truly concentrate on young players that are from good programs, I.E. North Carolina, Duke, Kentucky, Ucon, Syracuse, etc"

Should be written: "During the draft, Isiah needs to truly concentrate on young players that are from good programs, I.E. Uconn, North Carolina, Those that we don't speak of, Kentucky,S yracuse, etc

Basketball more than any other game is a game of habits. In football you have 45 seconds after each play to decide what you need to do. In baseball you have an hour between pitches. In basketball the action never stops. You have to decide between 10, 15, 20 courses of action on every play. A coach can tell you 500 times to play defense a certain way, but in the end you will fall back on your habits.

Guys like Gordon and Heinrich have had coach's that made them earn whatever they got. Gordon was a star at Uconn and Calhoun was harder on him than anyone on the team. He knew if he didn't give a Calhoun effort he would sit. So now he's in the pros. When Skiles talks he remembers those lessons Calhoun taught him. He appreciates the results he got from that effort and when Skiles talks he has no reason not to listen. He doesn't need to be "motivated". The only thing he knows is to buckle down and play hard. Its a habit for him. Even when he is sick he will play hard, because that's all he knows. If Skiles is the coach he will play hard. If Lenny Wilkens or Don Chaney are the coach's he will play hard. If you or I was the coach he would play hard. It's a habit.

Guys like TT and Stephon come from a different perspective. Theseare guys that were pampered at a young age. They were so big, strong and quick at a young age that they didn't have to play hard to win. They didn't have to rely on teammates. They were never threatened with being benched. They developed bad habits. Now they are in the pros and these coach's have to try to teach them otherwise. Imagine a child that is pampered and handed everything without earning it. By the time that child is an adult he doesn't know how to go out and get a job and earn a living. Same with these guys. Guys like TT honestly think they are working hard. They don't understand the criticism. They have been told for 26 years that what they are doing is great. Now they are on the Knicks, they don't understand why their effort is not acceptable. They need to learn. Some guys hopefully will, the others should be shipped out as we continue our development process. This is why guys like TT are continually traded. Coach's in the NBA don't have the patience with guys they have to "motivate" to play hard. They want guys that have developed the habit of playing hard long before they got there and don't need to be begged and prodded to do what they are supposed to do.
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