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Bonn1997
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Time to re-evaluate the start Sweetney calls. Who should start at PF?
Kurt
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Vin
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ReasonableNYfan
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1/26/2005  2:23 PM
KT plays better defense and has a mid-range jumper which currently is a big part of the offense. I say if you want to develop Sweetney, let him start with KT moving to center and bring NM of the bench.
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1/26/2005  4:40 PM
oh brother...KT at C again? did we not learn anything from last year? i'd rather have Nazr starting at C w/Vin backing him up (Vin has been playing decent defense in his sparse minutes imho)...KT will get abused by taller C's...he's having enough of a problem guarding PF's as it is...i understand your point about KT's midrange jumper being part of the offense...imo, it is relied on way TOO much...i'd like to see Stephon penetrate to the hole & dish to an open Nazr or JYD cutting into the open lane instead of the constant pick & rolls where KT throws up that midrange jumper every single time he touches the ball.
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1/26/2005  4:47 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:

make it a future restricted pick...doesn't matter to me...i just want to clear KT off this roster & shore up our perimeter D
If I ran the Blazers, I wouldn't give up any picks (1st or 2nd round) to get Kurt to be Zach's backup PF.

i've seen countless "trade KT to the Spurs for Malik & their 1st rounder" for the past several months on this forum...this isn't even a new trade either, because i've seen it discussed & analyzed on this board several times before...i happen to think it makes sense...a blind man can see that our perimeter defense is about the worst in the NBA...whatever happened to those solid defensive stats that you came up with for Marbury? i guess u didn't see Steve Nash blowing by him almost every possession last night? those types of things don't show up on the stat sheets...we need help on guarding the perimeter...KT can't even step out to challenge a 3 pointer by Jim Jackson because he's so damn slow footed just about any other player will blow right past him for an easy layup if he did.
Your point about KT is not under dispute. I said I wouldn't do the deal if I ran the Blazers. I'd do it in a second if I ran the Knicks, though.
Nash had 9 pts and 7 assists. Maybe Marbury did okay against him on defense? All those times Nash got by him didn't seem to lead to anything productive for Phoenix. I have no idea how Marbury and Nash got into this thread, though

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 01/26/2005 16:48:25]
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1/26/2005  4:48 PM
Posted by TMS:

oh brother...KT at C again? did we not learn anything from last year? i'd rather have Nazr starting at C w/Vin backing him up (Vin has been playing decent defense in his sparse minutes imho)...KT will get abused by taller C's...he's having enough of a problem guarding PF's as it is...i understand your point about KT's midrange jumper being part of the offense...imo, it is relied on way TOO much...i'd like to see Stephon penetrate to the hole & dish to an open Nazr or JYD cutting into the open lane instead of the constant pick & rolls where KT throws up that midrange jumper every single time he touches the ball.

actually, I like KT at C with our current group of guys. Last year the Knicks didn't have anyone at the 4 after he moved to C. With Sweets there, you have 2 players that compliment each other. You do loss the height and a little blocking, but whatever, Knicks still don't have that.

KT is better at guarded grounded players who do not roam out to the 3 point arc or players who can beat you off the face up dribble, and that is mostly C's. Sweets can fill the post and KT can keep the opposing C honest by drawing him to the outside with his mid-range+ shot.
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1/26/2005  10:43 PM
forget KT at center!

C-Sweetney
PF-Kurt(until he is traded)
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1/27/2005  7:56 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:

forget KT at center!

C-Sweetney
PF-Kurt(until he is traded)

Wait a second...you've been against bringing in Swift for C because he is too short, so you go with Sweetney? Please tell me it's just the issue of being short term that changed your mind.
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1/27/2005  9:18 AM
Nash had 9 pts and 7 assists. Maybe Marbury did okay against him on defense? All those times Nash got by him didn't seem to lead to anything productive for Phoenix. I have no idea how Marbury and Nash got into this thread, though

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 01/26/2005 16:48:25]

PHX scored 133 points! If nash is the stick that stirs the drink, then how is that not "anything productive"? Did yah just read the box score? when I saw the 7 assists I thought that looked low. If you saw the game, its not that Marbs couldn't contain Nash, its just that nash ran his team like a maestro!
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1/27/2005  9:27 AM
Posted by Nalod:
Nash had 9 pts and 7 assists. Maybe Marbury did okay against him on defense? All those times Nash got by him didn't seem to lead to anything productive for Phoenix. I have no idea how Marbury and Nash got into this thread, though

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 01/26/2005 16:48:25]

PHX scored 133 points! If nash is the stick that stirs the drink, then how is that not "anything productive"? Did yah just read the box score? when I saw the 7 assists I thought that looked low. If you saw the game, its not that Marbs couldn't contain Nash, its just that nash ran his team like a maestro!
Nash ran the team decently. His teammates did most of the damage despite a sub-par performance by him. The fact that a team put up a lot of points doesn't mean that it was because of the PG. And, yes, I watched the game. Although TMS is right that Nash penetrated past Marbury a few times that didn't show up in the box score, he penetrates past most PGs much *more* successfully than he did against Marbury. The Knicks lost that game (and most of their games this year) because of the defense they got from the 2-5 guys, not because of Marbury.
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1/27/2005  9:28 AM
trust me, Marbs could not contain Nash...i watched him several times allow Nash to blow right by him off the dribble causing other guys like KT, Nazr & Sweets to collapse on help D, opening up guys on the perimeter for easy baskets...while Nash didn't get credit for alot of assists, his penetration certainly led to easy baskets being scored by the Suns players.

anyway, let's save the discussion of how bad a defender we think Marbury is or isn't for another thread...don't want to get off Bonn's original topic.
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1/27/2005  9:32 AM
anyway, let's save the discussion of how bad a defender we think Marbury is or isn't for another thread...don't want to get off Bonn's original topic.
Geez, I wonder who changed the topic to Marbury and Nash in the first place!
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1/27/2005  9:36 AM
as for having KT & Sweets on the floor at the same time- who excactly are these towering centers that are going to crush us?

And, is Nazr going to stop them?
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1/27/2005  9:36 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
anyway, let's save the discussion of how bad a defender we think Marbury is or isn't for another thread...don't want to get off Bonn's original topic.
Geez, I wonder who changed the topic to Marbury and Nash in the first place!

i made mention to the fact that Marbury's defense was weak to justify my trade proposal to get Ruben Patterson by using KT as trade bait...that spoke to your original topic of who i felt should be starting at PF...

stop being such a damn girl for crying out loud!
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1/27/2005  9:38 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bonn1997:
anyway, let's save the discussion of how bad a defender we think Marbury is or isn't for another thread...don't want to get off Bonn's original topic.
Geez, I wonder who changed the topic to Marbury and Nash in the first place!

i made mention to the fact that Marbury's defense was weak to justify my trade proposal to get Ruben Patterson by using KT as trade bait...that spoke to your original topic of who i felt should be starting at PF...

stop being such a damn girl for crying out loud!

ROFL, now that is funny.
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1/27/2005  9:40 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
anyway, let's save the discussion of how bad a defender we think Marbury is or isn't for another thread...don't want to get off Bonn's original topic.
Geez, I wonder who changed the topic to Marbury and Nash in the first place!

Looking back, you did.

and one more time, if the leader is the point guard, and your team is working on all cylinders, and you have the ball a lot, a real lot, your making a huge difference. If you have the ball, your the point guard, your team is in first place, and your a top candidate for MVP, trust me, your making a difference each game. 133pts!
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1/27/2005  10:11 AM
Posted by joec32033:

I voted Mike, if for no other reason, given the same minute as KT, he will at least equal his pts and rebounds and will get to the line alot more, and maybe because he actually has a post game, maybe he will demand a double team every now and then.

Did you see the suns doubling Sweets...It brought a tear to my eye. We haven't had a low post player get doubled in...well, I don't even remember.
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1/27/2005  10:36 AM
i noticed it too...it was refreshing to see...unfortunately, everyone on the perimeter is so damn stagnant that defenses can collapse on Sweetney down low & no one is moving around to give him an open outlet to pass out of the post to...it's like they dump the ball downlow & totally give up on the play until someone else takes a shot...can we teach these guys to move off the ball for a change?
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1/27/2005  10:48 AM
Posted by MaTT4281:
Posted by gunsnewing:

forget KT at center!

C-Sweetney
PF-Kurt(until he is traded)

Wait a second...you've been against bringing in Swift for C because he is too short, so you go with Sweetney? Please tell me it's just the issue of being short term that changed your mind.

oh course it's short term. Until Kurt is traded
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