bigsmooth you need to calm down right now maybe even take a chill pill

if the knicks can get webber and jalen rose then how in the heaven can you not like it

stop worrying about the cap. stop worrying about webber being the biggest choker you have ever seen in your life.

maybe if you tried hard enough you would be able to find another choker. perhaps on the same team

peja perhaps

i'm a knick fan i bleed blue and orange and while i respect your opinion

marbury
crawford
rose
webber

is much better than what we have now

Webber reminds me of a Glenn Rice... Please, Isiah, wait until the summer to do anything.

And I would love for Rose to be on this team. Carter's not the only one who hates Toronto.

Smooth...I metioned a TT package for Odom.....I am using these as examples.I will rephrase the statement that is causing so much headache.....

What if this is a precursor to a trade that will land us a skilled big man.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 01/13/2005 21:20:48]

[Edited by - joec32033 on 01/13/2005 21:56:41]

I think if you just move Penny for Rose, Rose is going to take Moochie's minutes for sure; then, I'd suspect he might eat TT's minues as well. Even if you hate Rose, he can flat out shoot. How many times has he killed us when his teams have played against us?

And, he could probably play through the end of his contract- he reminds me of a reggie miller- sly and slithery.

Rose might end up starting at the 3- so your starting five when everyone's back would be
Marbury
Crawford
Rose
KT
Nazr

Houston, Thomas, JYD, Sweets & Ariza off the Bench.

We might need to add a ball to keep everyone happy on offense.

I only give up Penny's contract if it's for
Jalen
Donyell
#1 pick

for Penny and Nazr. But then we really need to go after a center. even if he's not that good. a haywood type would do

it's not that bad Penny's contract is only 1 year shorter than Jalen's Jalen is much better and he gives us a better chance at getting webber. You put Webber with steph and jamal and you got yourself a eastern conference contender!

Posted by gunsnewing:

of course if Jalen and TT gets us Webber & Ostertag then I'm all for it!

that's never going to happen imho...they already have Cuttino, Bibby & Peja...they have no need or use for Rose

I agree with all of this there must be more to the deal then meets the eye. Rose has to come with a first round pick for one. Secondly, Isiah must have another deal on the table. If i were a betting man i would think something for Webber could be on the horizon, possibly TT and KT and maybe Sweetney for him. If all this happens i think we come out much better off, especially if we were able to hold onto Sweetney.

"You put Webber with steph and jamal and you got yourself a eastern conference contender!"

No you don't, you have an overpaid group of mediocre players, they don't advance past Detroit, Indy, Miami, or Cleveland.

smooth i understand what you are saying and i use to feel the same way but the knicks could care less about the cap as long as you keep saving up $400 to pay for tickets

if you were Dolan would you care about the cap. i mean honestly

so if the knicks don't care why should the fans care

i just want to see a competitive team. you see sometimes it's not all about if you win or lose it's how you play the game

the knicks can't beat the spurs in a series but that doesn't mean i wouldn't love to watch them lose to the spurs in a series. can you understand what i am saying

i've never seen the knicks win a championship but yet in still i love them to death and so do you

when the knicks traded sprewell i almost fainted. i hated van horn but guess what van horn became a favorite of mines. meaning sometimes you just have to watch it unfold

but i do understand what you are saying

Okay I feel obligated to chime in here.

First off, Jalen rose is a very talented offensive player. His shot is deadly, he can take you off the dribble, and he can play 3 positions. He is far and away better than anything we have at the 3. He is also tough. He is not scared to play tough and take big shots.

I think Isiah is trying to get a tough team. Marbs, Craw, and Jalen are 3 tough players. If we can use penny's contract to get a big I would say lets do that instead, but Jalen is a good layer in this league.

Chris Webber is also a good player. I think he shoots way too many jumpshots, and is NOT all that tough but he would not have to carry this team. Even now, in the last minutes we would want the ball in Stephs hands and if we had Jalen and Craw, CWebb is a 4th opttion in the clutch. He is much better than anyone we have at the 4, even while being crippled from any injury. He is also one of the best passing big men in the league.

Having said that, he is damaged goods and I really don't want him. He has peaked, it seems he will continue to get hurt, and again he shoots way too many jumpers. I'd much rather have Shareef, who can play in and outside, and is looking good in the west.

I don't want to use our contracts on players lke that. I would rather try for Tyson Chandler, Kwame Brown or some oung guy like that. I also HATE the idea of giving up sweets in a trade for webber. After webbers legs have fallen apart, we have no young proprects and I think that sucks.


We should aim higher than webber and rose, but if thats all we can get, I would say do it. Its an upgrade at the 3 and 4 and it could actually make us pretty damn good.