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Lenny is an idiot for not changing the starting lineup much sooner........
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Silverfuel
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1/10/2005  11:53 AM
Posted by Pike:

TT is a cancer on this team...
Oh WOW! I might be wrong about the TT thing actually. He really might be the worst player at that position but I think he will come around later in the season. I dunno about him being a cancer but ok, thats for another day.

Who do you think should start in his place? Bench TT and start Junk yard? If so, are u saying it more cause you, want to start Junk yard or more cause you, want to bench TT?
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Pike
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1/10/2005  11:57 AM
... for the time being, JYD... who's best coming off the bench on a very good team.

It is two birds with one stone (TT out, JYD in) but, don't be fooled, in spite of Diderotn's obsession with JYD... TT's subtraction is the key.
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1/10/2005  12:40 PM
the reason I rather have JYD start over Ariza is because we need Ariza offensive off the bench. Even if he is not scoring he's making things happen on offense. I really wish TT was done for the year or at least a long time. That way when he comes back he will be out of the rotation. He can sit right next to Penny and accept their roles as "trade chips" lol.

A bench of Crawford and Ariza will be great! Hopefully we can trade Kurt or Nazr so that Sweetney can start!
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1/10/2005  12:43 PM
Posted by Pike:

... for the time being, JYD... who's best coming off the bench on a very good team.

It is two birds with one stone (TT out, JYD in) but, don't be fooled, in spite of Diderotn's obsession with JYD... TT's subtraction is the key.

Correction it is Dido's obsession with claiming that he knows
what's right for the team and changing his story everytime
he's proven wrong. I hope I am not the only person to recognize
how many times he had said that TT was going to break out, and
that he should be the number one option, and the offense should
run through him, and blah blah blah. What a blow hard.
Personally, I'm sick of hearing how you think you know better
than everyone else, Dido. You're a clown.
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1/10/2005  12:55 PM
Dude! If you can't understand my philosophy as far as TT is concern, it is not my fault. For the last time, TT is a very talented dude that can offer a whole lot to our rotation when his game is on. However, this season, something has happened to his game. I gave him about 10 games to regain my trust, but he failed miserably. I later found out that he was having some family problems, but that is all good. I will never back away from claiming that I believe that he can be a huge asset to our team, but for the time being, his game is far below the standard that he is capable of playing. My team, I say again my team is currently suffering because of a lack of production and energy at the SF and PF positions, therefore something has to be done. I would say sit Kurt's *** on the bench, but I have to be realistic with my demands. Kurt has produced a lot more this season than TT has, therefore the weakest lynk has to go.......



Posted by Panos:
Posted by Pike:

... for the time being, JYD... who's best coming off the bench on a very good team.

It is two birds with one stone (TT out, JYD in) but, don't be fooled, in spite of Diderotn's obsession with JYD... TT's subtraction is the key.

Correction it is Dido's obsession with claiming that he knows
what's right for the team and changing his story everytime
he's proven wrong. I hope I am not the only person to recognize
how many times he had said that TT was going to break out, and
that he should be the number one option, and the offense should
run through him, and blah blah blah. What a blow hard.
Personally, I'm sick of hearing how you think you know better
than everyone else, Dido. You're a clown.
The true Knickabocker..........
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1/10/2005  1:15 PM
TT is a terrible, I hate calling players a cancer ever since a friend of mine pointed out to me that cancer should not be used for sports in such a way as it is a serious mostly fatal condition that more people have then you think.

That said, I hope TT has a season edning injury, goes on IL and we never see him play one game for the Knicks again.

There are 2 players better then him on the roster at the same position. JYD and Ariza.

TT is averaging 10pts, 3rbs, on 40% shooting, you start Ariza and he'll do better then that, let alone JYD.

Trade TT for Artest or something at the deadline lol.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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1/10/2005  2:00 PM
TT's obviously been a disaster.

Anyone notice JYD wears football pads under his shorts? I noticed when he was on the ground at one point, the guy wears thigh pads. Thats classic, but exactly the mentality this team needs. He wont last at 40 minutes, but when Jamal comes back Ariza will get more minutes at the 3 and less at the 2 so JYD can still start and give you 30 minutes or so.
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1/10/2005  2:29 PM
... simrud, season ending injury works for me.

Seriously, Lenny and Zeke should know we're better off with TT completely gone. At the very least, he should be moved at Bruno Sundov's end of the bench.

We have to remember that, in spite of how horrendous he is (due to large salary) he will become an extremely valuable trade asset the closer his contract comes to expiring.
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1/10/2005  2:45 PM
and Pike.. thats the problem in a nutshell. Everyone knows that guys like Penny and TT and even KT arent part of the long term picture here. Yet knowing your going to trade them your obligated to play them else their value depreciates. The question is, is it worth it?
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1/10/2005  2:48 PM
I understand what you are saying but, my point is, the team that acquire these two would be doing it for one reason, to remove their combined salaries from their cap. They wouldn't keep them (TT and Penny)... they'd be released. Thus, it doesn't matter if they play less or in TT's case, play at all.

What you said would be the case as far as KT is concerned.

[Edited by - Pike on 01/10/2005 14:59:16]
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1/10/2005  3:10 PM
certainly with Penny, but I could see a team taking a short term (one year) chance on TT in hopes they could resign him cheap. Its not a horrible gamble. He's coming off a brutal year and getting guys away from their home area sometimes helps them refocus themselves.
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1/10/2005  3:17 PM
my guess is, every night, Isiah is thinking, how can I rid myself of (my biggest mistake though I got Nazr too) TT.

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1/10/2005  7:55 PM
Posted by Nalod:

JYD is an impact player.

Its not who starts, its who and how you finish.

Blame Isiah for your personel decisions. This head coach does not pick his players.

TT will Start when healthy and get the hook when he sucks. When you pay him the big bucks, you are patient and let him work it thru.

JYD is great, but thru his career he is injury prone and not apt to play big minutes.

I wish this was not true.

No Shareef and Miles made a difference. IT was a good win!

I don't buy into its not who starts its who finishes. JYD gives the team an energetic start which carries over to the other teammates. As opposed to a slow start which puts the team in a hole.
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1/11/2005  3:05 AM
http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/37944.htm

'DOG' HAS HIS DAY

By MARC BERMAN

January 11, 2005 -- At last, Lenny Wilkens is poised to make a bold decision that could bruise egos.

Looking for more bite to the starting lineup, the Knick coach will likely keep Jerome "Junkyard Dog" Williams in the starting lineup at small forward even when erratic Tim Thomas returns healthy. Removing Thomas has been long overdue.

"It's a great possibility," admitted Wilkens, who has long debated yanking Thomas.

Tonight against the hapless Hornets, Williams is expected to make his second straight start as Thomas sits again with a bruised knee and sore calf. Thomas, who's had a disappointing season, took an MRI yesterday. Results were not immediately available.

The energetic Williams provided juice Sunday in his first Knick start, playing a game-high 44 minutes. He scored 15 points with six rebounds and four assists, jacking up the Garden crowd in their 113-105 win over Portland. Williams is all about defense and hustle on a club all about offense.

Williams got the ultimate endorsement from Stephon Marbury, who called him the game's "MVP." Marbury occasionally looks as if he's ingested sour milk when Thomas makes a turnover or forces a shot.

Team president Isiah Thomas looked to peddle Tim Thomas in a Vince Carter package. This summer, Tim Thomas enters the final year of his contract, and Isiah will use him as trade bait to upgrade a roster he claims is not much better than .500.

Tim Thomas and Penny Hardaway, whose contract also expires after next year, will have huge trade value for clubs looking to get under the salary cap in the summer of 2006.

"The way Jerome Williams played [Sunday] is the way we all have to play every night," Marbury said. "Jerome's energy creates plays. He knows how to pass and dribble the ball. Whenever he makes a mistake, because he plays so hard, you don't question it. You know he's going to make it up at some point in the game."

If Wilkens keeps Williams as starting "3", he faces another decision when Jamal Crawford becomes healthy in two weeks — whether to sit Allan Houston again.

"He showed he should be out there again," said Wilkens, who coached Williams in Toronto. "There's no reason not to come out with energy. But it happens naturally with him."

With Houston, Marbury, Kurt Thomas and Nazr Mohammed, the Knicks have enough scorers. It's refreshing to have one buzzard eager to do the little things. The 6-foot-10 Tim Thomas doesn't do enough little things. He forces too many shots and doesn't pass well out of the double team he often draws driving. His size at small forward is wasted because he doesn't bulldoze for offensive boards.

Thomas is averaging just 10.6 points on 40.7 percent shooting, but his most damning stat is the infrequency he gets to the foul line. Williams, in 340 less minutes, has been to the line five more times (75-70) than Thomas.

"I never make any requests in basketball when they pay me every week," Williams said. "I'm going to go out there and play hard if I'm coming in the last minute of the fourth or first minute of the first quarter."

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1/11/2005  3:30 AM
Posted by Rich:


Williams, in 340 less minutes, has been to the line five more times (75-70) than Thomas.

That's my favorite part. That's the thing ill never understand about TT, with the body he has...
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1/11/2005  4:21 AM
TT obviously is into sculpture or painting or something, cause it sure aint Basketball. Can you imagine JYD's intensity with TT's body and skills? TT would be one of the best player in the league period!! And thats what makes it hurt all the more. He is averaging 10 and 3. Dispicable.
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1/11/2005  7:08 AM
Has anybody asked TIM THOMAS why he doesn't go to the boards more as a 6"10 SF.

What has his answer been?
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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1/11/2005  7:16 AM
Posted by playa2:

Has anybody asked TIM THOMAS why he doesn't go to the boards more as a 6"10 SF.

What has his answer been?

He said it's a rare case of hyelophobia.
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1/11/2005  7:47 AM
I am happy to see that coming out of Lenny's mouth. This lineup change is 20 games overdue....Zeke has something cooking folks. Can you all say Webber???????
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1/11/2005  8:53 AM
Williams got the ultimate endorsement from Stephon Marbury, who called him the game's "MVP." Marbury occasionally looks as if he's ingested sour milk when Thomas makes a turnover or forces a shot.
thats hysterical. Marbury looks like he's choking on a hair ball everytime TT's (bad) shots clang against the rim.
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
Lenny is an idiot for not changing the starting lineup much sooner........

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