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Isiah trying to deal for Szczerbiak?
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Killa4luv
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1/7/2005  10:54 AM
If you guys can't see Wally as an upgrade over KT, you are crazy. KT had 23 and it is like remarkable!!! If Wally had 23 it would be a good game. Wally can put points on the boards and contrary to the popular logic on this board, offense is a problem for us.


We don't have enough firepower. We do still have Ariza, Sweets, Nazr,Vinny B, and JYD to hold us down low until the next move is made involving TT and Penny. If we can make that happen, and the only pieces we use are TT, Penny, and KT, we should be in a really good position next year. I think it really depends on the PF though. I like SAR waaaaaaaay better than Walker. SAR plays inside and outside but I think his post game is more refined. If we had that team it is up to the coach and Steph to take us there.
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1/7/2005  11:15 AM
Posted by diderotn:

but anything to get rid of Kurt Thomas is a good move.

HUH???

Are you feeling alright?
Pike
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1/7/2005  11:17 AM
That being said, I love Wally.... and whoever said this a negative vote of confidence towards Houston is 100% correct. Isiah knows he can't count on anything from him.

We'll see. I'm expecting a trade and possibly a coaching change before the end of the upcoming road trip.
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1/7/2005  2:16 PM
Wally is a step backwards, he's a shooter that can't guard either the perimeter or the post. Now, clearly thats valuable and, lucky us, we already have that in Houston.

Marbury and Crawford are set in the backcourt, with Houston providing backup shooting, and Ariza will be fixed at 3 in 1-2 years. Wally is locked at 55mil for the next half decade - not cost-effective if he's playing backup 3.

Kurt has potential to get us a frontcourt piece - Wally is a useless trading chip if you want a good power forward in return. At best, Kurt for Wally means that Tim gets less time - but thats negligible if you're forfeiting a chip that may give Dalembert, Curry etc.
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1/7/2005  2:18 PM
Dalembert couldn't tie Wally's sneakers.

Though your point about losing KT chip to acquire Eddie Curry makes a heckova lot of sense.
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1/7/2005  2:22 PM
Wally is a baller. He can score from anywhere and shoots 50%. Thats tremendous. He's tougher than you say. Good handle, good passer and strong and athletic. What getting Wally does is bump TT back in the rotation and allows you to see Sweetney for 30 plus minutes a game.
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1/7/2005  2:29 PM
Posted by Pike:

Dalembert couldn't tie Wally's sneakers.

Wally trips over himself sneakers tied or untied. If McHale can get Dalembert for Szczerbiak, he gives the go-ahead without losing too much sleep.
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1/7/2005  2:32 PM
Why is everybody in love with this stiff called Dalembert?
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1/7/2005  2:40 PM
Comon its pretty obvious by now that this team isn't going anywhere this year, we'd be lucky if we don't get swept again in the first round, ok thats an exaggeration we could get into the 2nd round of the playoffs, but whats the point thats as far as we'll go if we play the best ball we can. So I'd just do it, pull the trigger Isiah, theres many more positives than negatives if we do, ok yes we'd be a more flawed team if we do it with an s-load of guards and not enough big men but who cares heres why.
1. Sweetney starts(since we ain't going nowhere we might as well play our young guys, as a matter of fact I believe that if we had Ariza's Bird rights locked up he'd be in the starting lineup yesterday, but Isiah is keeping him in check so he doesn't blow up and run away until he can extend him and finally get his Bird rights because lets face it money talks, I'd leave too if I got offered more money somewhere else)
2. Kurts value keeps dropping by the day, not because his play but because his age, Kurt could go on a rampage the rest of the season and his stock still won't go up much if it all because he's old.
3. We get younger
4. Wally is more tradeable in the future if we need to move him than Kurt will be.
5. Houston is finished(but we need to hang on to him even if we have to toss him on the IR list for the rest of his Knick career because his contract becomes gold when its at 1 year left.) So instead of it being Crawford with Houston backing him up, it'll be Crawford with Wally backing him up.
6. This summer Isiah is going to go all star and quality players shopping because he's gonna have so much to work with, huge contracts with 1 year left expiring left and right, mle, lle, the 2006 first rounder if he wants to throw it in somewhere, Isiah will be much closer to completely be finished building his team after this summer and will be done the team will be built after the 2006 summer and we'll finally get to see what Isiah's vision was.
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1/7/2005  2:42 PM
Posted by fishmike:

Wally is a baller. He can score from anywhere and shoots 50%. Thats tremendous. He's tougher than you say. Good handle, good passer and strong and athletic. What getting Wally does is bump TT back in the rotation and allows you to see Sweetney for 30 plus minutes a game.

Wally's fine - he's not horrible and he's not an all-star. As you say, he's a decent shooter and you're right that he doesn't shy away from contact. But, he's slower and not nearly as athletic as TT. His handle and post-up game are worse than TT. Bottom line is Wally's a better shooter. But, Houston gives you that. There's no need for him if he costs us Kurt's trade value. Tim for Wally might be workable.
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1/7/2005  2:44 PM
Posted by Pike:

Why is everybody in love with this stiff called Dalembert?

i don't think he's a stiff. given the starting nod the last two months of the year, he averaged double double with 3.5 blocks. that's pretty impressive. and he's very young.

stiff is travis knight. stiff is luc longley. stiff is felton spencer. dalembert is not a stiff.
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1/7/2005  2:46 PM
TT is a total waste of God given talent... so don't waste your time writing out all the things he's capable of doing but, will never due. Why?? Because he's a soft, mental case... and everyone involved in the NBA knows it. So have fun trading him... unless contract is coming due.
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1/7/2005  2:48 PM
Posted by djsunyc:


stiff is travis knight. stiff is luc longley. stiff is felton spencer. dalembert is not a stiff.

LOL... well, "STIFF" is a relative term.

and the people around here talk about Dalembert like he's a future Abdul Jabbar!
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1/7/2005  2:56 PM
Posted by Pike:

TT is a total waste of God given talent... so don't waste your time writing out all the things he's capable of doing but, will never due. Why?? Because he's a soft, mental case... and everyone involved in the NBA knows it. So have fun trading him... unless contract is coming due.


Or have fun not trading him. Szczerbiak is more consistent than TT, but the ultimate difference in game impact is petty change. No one's throwing you a parade if you get Szczerbiak for Tim Thomas.
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1/7/2005  3:01 PM
nalod... Kuboto Spree?? LOL!!!!! ahahahhahahha!!
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1/7/2005  3:05 PM
What I like about wally is his understanding of the game, wally can shoot pass and he moves well without the ball, how many times do you see guys on the knicks standing still and not trying to get open, under the hoop, when was the last time you saw a backdoor cut and pass?, I can tell you, it was marbs to crawford and crawford dunked the ball with two hands, now if I can remember that, how sad is our ball movement....
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1/7/2005  3:07 PM
codeunknown: I dunno how you can say that. Then again, I have concluded that TT is completely useless and getting rid of him would be considered addition by subtraction, if you get my point?





[Edited by - Pike on 01/07/2005 15:09:19]
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1/7/2005  3:21 PM
Posted by Pike:

codeunknown: I dunno how you can say that. Then again, I have concluded that TT is completely useless and getting rid of him would be considered addition by subtraction, if you get my point?





[Edited by - Pike on 01/07/2005 15:09:19]

Subtract TT. Adding Wally is the issue. The team improves only marginally.
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1/7/2005  3:29 PM
how much remains to be seen... but, we will improve. The bigger issue as you pointed out is, does this deal hurt us with BIGGER need (no pun intended) which of course is acquiring a good center like EDDIE CURRY.

That being said, I can not emphasize the importance of getting TT off the floor.... and getting Wally does just that.

[Edited by - Pike on 01/07/2005 15:30:37]
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1/7/2005  4:20 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:

If you guys can't see Wally as an upgrade over KT, you are crazy. KT had 23 and it is like remarkable!!! If Wally had 23 it would be a good game. Wally can put points on the boards and contrary to the popular logic on this board, offense is a problem for us.


We don't have enough firepower. We do still have Ariza, Sweets, Nazr,Vinny B, and JYD to hold us down low until the next move is made involving TT and Penny. If we can make that happen, and the only pieces we use are TT, Penny, and KT, we should be in a really good position next year. I think it really depends on the PF though. I like SAR waaaaaaaay better than Walker. SAR plays inside and outside but I think his post game is more refined. If we had that team it is up to the coach and Steph to take us there.

no question about it! there would be a lot less pressure in turning Penny's and TT's expiring contracts into a great player. With a core of Steph, Wally, jamal, sweetney, ariza, JYD and the players we get for penny and TT we will be in GREAT shape! but again, I really don't think we'll get Wally at this point. He's been incredible lately

Imagine a lineup of:
C-Brand or some other big time free agent bigman
PF-Sweetney
SF-Wally
SG-Jamal
PG-Steph
bench: Nazr, Ariza, JYD

man that would be a dream!


[Edited by - gunsnewing on 01/07/2005 16:22:28]
Isiah trying to deal for Szczerbiak?

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