Whether one wants Kwame Brown or not... it would NEVER be for Sweetney and Ariza! That's the point.

Pike I don't think sweetney likes playing in NY and would prefer to go to DC (home) and play.

Playa, you think I give a rats a** that Sweets might like to go and play in D.C.?

Posted by teslawlo:

I want Kwame to prove he's even WORTH that much! You trade him, he comes here, guess what the most likely scenario is? He's playing 20-25 minutes BACKING UP KT because once again KT's consistency and defense and his oversized ego will make him the starter. If you trade for someone, you trade for someone who is outright better than KT so that there is no issue about minutes and who's starting.
Every year people say this is the year for Kwame, well guess what so far all I've seen are flashes. He's as inconsistent as they come and his behavior recently this year with the wizards has not been positive.
By the way, the guy is a 6'11'' 243 pounder who is coming off a broken foot. His stats last year of 11 ppg and 7.4 rpg in 30 minutes could probably have been done by sweetney in 30 minutes too. Kwame is foul prone and should only be picked up if it is a bargain deal. a first round pick + the future prospects of our team is not a bargain.

If Kwame played to his potential, we wouldnt have a chance in h to acquire him. I like Mike sweetney and Ariza and I would never trade young for old. But I would trade young for young--and yes Kwame is 7-0 270 now. you just dont have many chances to get a guy with his frame and his skills. Just because he has played under a certain level--well, he wa supposed to be in college last year. I wouldnt start off offering that much, Id start off by offering just Sweetney, but Id be willing to negotiate up to that level.

... there would be no Haywood or Etan Thomas in his way?

Are you kidding me... who's case are you arguing? Like those guys are any good....

The Wizards are up and coming because of our old friend, Ernie Grunfeld who shrewedly lured Jamison to D.C. and signed a guy who's going to be an all star for the next ten years, Gilbert Arenas. Hughes has blossomed as well and Jarvis Hayes is a nice young player.

Brown competing for time with the likes of Haywood and E. Thomas says it all.

lol.

Briggy,

I don't get you sometimes. This just sounds like a real bored dude whom just throwing wonton against the wall to see if it stick.

Im not sure about Kwames potential, but that is a big price to pay for a dude with small hands.

But its a slow nite, so yeah, lets go get him, but lets do a KT for him and do old for new. They want to make the playoffs, so we taks some cap fodder crap from them, or in a three way for KT and mooch, but we pay them off for the Coochie.

Trevor is the next grant hill. Don't move him. I just once want to develope our own player. One we can call our own. Just once! Please.

this is a dumb retort. it's obvious that people did not watch kwame brown towards the end of last year when he started to breakout.

does anyone remember kwame brown having 32 points 20 rebounds and 5 blocks against Sacremento or 27 points 17 rebounds and 4 blocks against Chicago among other big games down the stretch last year? Was he consistent, NO but he was moving that way at the end of the season.those are BIG BIG BIG time numbers
This is at 21 years old. He went out and put on 20 pounds of muscle and actually gained an inch over the summer and them whacked his ankle. He was ready to take off. I like mike sweetney but he doesnt have NEAR the upsoide the kwame does, he hasnt been able to beat out KT.
ariza the next grant hill? the dude shot 40 % at UCLA and is shooting below 40% here. Their both good players, but having ANY chance to potentially upgrade your size and talent in the frontcourt while staying young is to much to pass up. kwame's got small hands? who cares, so did patrick ewing and he did all right.

come on now, lets not over rate what we have and understand how much value REAL BIG men have. Mike is nOT a real big man, hes 6-8 in shoes if hes lucky. Hes a good player and ariza has potnetial to be a real nice player to--but Kwame can still be an upper echlon player and he has shown some bonafides with some massive numbers in certain games.

we have to understand that he is YOUNG and that he wasnt brought along correctly by the wizards and that big men take time.

I for once dont disagree too muc with "trademan" briggs.

To reply to somebody, if kwame was proven we couldnt get him. check curry. same story, if kwame starts to paly like he did last yr, he's out of our reach.

We are very emotionally attached (dunno if you'll understand what i mean) to ariza and sweet, cause we've been robed during so many years, with no rookes to root for.

So, my guess is as good as those guys could be, they're still :
- either not so hard to replace (sweet)
- or years away to be ready (ariza)

Now, kwame is a c, athletic, great potential, but that has been broken by MJ.

Look, this guy just can't succeed where is, cause he's labelled a bust.

That would be a bold move, but aguirre and his magic wand would do marvels with a true seven footers.

Im with you briggs, I'd do it, as much painful as it would be.

does anyone remember kwame brown having 32 points 20 rebounds and 5 blocks against Sacremento or 27 points 17 rebounds and 4 blocks against Chicago among other big games down the stretch last year? Was he consistent, NO but he was moving that way at the end of the season.those are BIG BIG BIG time numbers

BRIGGS, if Sweetney were EVER to put up those types of numbers in a game, people would be hailing him as the next great superstar in the NBA guaranteed...i would love to have a guy like Kwame on this team w/that much upside...it's funny how some people seem to be hypocrites at times in judging players on other teams as compared to our own.

I posted this in the Sweetney thread pertaining to this trade:

who said they would never trade him? (meaning Sweetney) I didnt like the Sweetney/Ariza future unprotected draft pick for Kwame trade. If that trade happened I would be excited to have Kwame, I just dont think its a great move now, especially when he's an RFA at the end of the year. You could just wind up paying for him twice. Better to use expiring deals and have his agent bully the Wizards into making a trade. Its not that I dont like Kwame, its just the timing.
What about Nazr+Baker+rights to our 04 #1, and $3mm for Kwame in a sign and trade starting at $8mm? Then you have Kwame/Sweetney/Ariza at the 3,4,5 in your pipeline. Why wouldnt Wash take Nazr and pick (Baker's free we include the $3mm) rather than pay Kwame big cash? They arent the Knicks and Mavs with their payroll. If it doesnt happen you move to Curry or Dalembert and so on.

Its not about refusing to trade Sweetney its about getting the most for our assets and that means timing is critical.