... we still have too many stiffs and this is compounded when a team like ours (without depth) gets some injuries.

Houston needs to get better (if possible) and TT has been an unmitigated disaster. Need a big time rebounder, if we can find one.

Good news, looks like we can build with Sweets and Ariza.

Still better off than we were under Laydumb. It's going to take time and getting healthy will get us back to repectability.

How is Stephon the best PG when he can't even throw a lob pass. Wade is now officially a SG because Damon Jones plays pg. But Marbury has made his claim as the best PG and the team is now 0-3 since. No one likes a braggart not even teammates.

Stephon's team is a joke and only 1 game from being out of the playoff seeding. The best my azz.

[Edited by - Vmart on 01/06/2005 12:40:27]

Posted by Pike:

... you think if you replace Stephon with any other point guard in the league, we'd be significantly better?

The answer is NO!

Thats debateable. I think the answer is yes if the Knicks replaced Stephon with another PG the Knicks might be much better. I would take Nash over him and I know the kNicks will be better. Bibby with the NYK team and the team is better. Marbury doesn't make others better thats a fact. I think a player like Nash gets TT going, H20 more open looks, Crawford easier basket. I think a player like Nash, Kidd get more out of their teammates something that can't be said for Marbury.

I can say it becasue the Knicks are only 3 games better than last year after 32 games and the Knicks had a less talented team. The PGs were Ward, Eisley and Williams. Is Mabury really making the team better with more talent at his disposal than those three before him.

you know Marbury did a hell of a job sharing the ball in Pho when Amare was a rookie. So much so that based on that season Amare, Marbury and Marion were featured on the cover of SI called "Rising Suns."
Then Amare got hurt, missed 30 plus games and they traded Steph because they could dump Penny at the same time (cant blame them).

Sorry, but Nash is overrated. Its very easy to be regarded among the best when your passing to Dirk and Finely, or Amare, Marion, JJ or Richardson. I would love to see Nash passing to KT and Nazr.

We have no explosive or dynamic frontcourt players on either side of the ball. We have no frontcourt players that really impact the game on either side of the ball.

I'm very happy with Marbury's play overall, despite is defensive lapses. I'm 100% sure you will see the kind of front court overhaul this offseason that you saw with the backcourt last year. With the expiring contracts and draft picks this will be a different team next year up front.

And thats pretty much all that make me able to stomach an updown year like this.

... when his legs work.

Don't get me wrong I love having Marbury on the KNicks, but I think his game leaves some doubt. Nash and Kidd's first priority is to the team not so much his own stat line. There are elements in Marbury's game that are missing. He runs the break piss poor. He can't throw a lob to save his life. Haven't see him do that in a long time. He deoesn't cause havoc with his passing game like Kidd and Nash do.

Posted by playa2:

Posted by s3231:

I like the kid so much that I was tempted to buy a Wade jersey the other day, then I remembered the rivalry and came to the conclusion that I will never be able to put a Heat jersey on

I did buy the wade jersey and wore it in a casino and got stare's out the ying yang.

I bought it right after the playoffs last yr, I knew then he was gonna be a bigtime Professional in the NBA game.

Yea I was so impressed with his playoff performance last year. It is so rare to see a rookie just come in like that and be a winner. I know Shaq is making the game easier for him this season, but the kid is easily a top 10 player in the NBA right now (and will soon be a top 5 player for a long time).

... one question in this Marbury/Nash discussion:

Who the heck is Stephon suppose to throw lobs to... Amare, Freddy Marion, perhaps?

Marbury is just who he is Starbury, the guy can score he can also accumulate assist by doing the pick and roll with durty kurty.


But did anybody notice when WADE got up in his grill he couldn't even pass the ball over wades head...dude almost grabbed it.


They kept saying last night that wade was 6'5 , when did he grow to that. Clyde has a way of stretching the truth when our players have issues with opposing players who are showing us up. Dude is 6'4 212lb, but very muscular and can't be denied to get into the paint as a two guard.

the guy attacks, plain and simple. He lapses on D..100%, no doubt, but this guy is such an aggresive player with the ball. If he has a problem its passing to ball to guys who take weak shots. Marbury attacks the basket. Doesnt matter if Shaq, Miller, Yao or anyone else is guarding it. He's like f--- them, I'm going to the hole. I dont see how thats a bad thing, especially when it works.