I think Lenny's mediocre, but I don't think we should fire him now. My problem with Lenny is he's too passive. We'd be better if we had a coach who held players accountable for playing lousy D or making soft passes and who was more assertive in coaching the final minutes of ball games. Last night's lack of a foul in final seconds was only the latest example. Lenny obviouly didn't learn anything from Detroit game. He's got to make his wishes known to the players.

But the lack of D is the bigger issue. Of course this is in large part the players we've got. But it's also about attitutde. Look at the Nets. They've got nobody besides Jeff and JKidd. Weaker than we are at every other position defensively. And their bench is ridiculous. But somehow their coach gets them to focus on D and they play it as well as their limited talent allows them to. We need to be playing up to our ability, and IMO Lenny shoulders some of the blame for us not doing so.

But fire him now? Then whoever comes in has the built-in need time to implement the system excuse. Players have more change to deal with. I say, if we don't win the division and/or don't put up a good show in the playoffs, certainly if we don't make the playoffs, then we get a new coach in the off season ... and make sure it's a coach who we feel will stick for 3 years at least.

wait a sec... how is Lenny not getting the most from his players?

Right now there is one guy in TT not playing well.

-Marbury's are the same but his FT, FG% and 3FG% are all up. Looks like Lenny has him taking better shots
-KT's rebounds are 3 above his career average and his PFs are down. Looks like Lenny has him playing smarter ball.
-Crawford's scoring and FG% and 3FG% are all up from last year. Not only is he scoring more but he's taking better shots.
-Nazr a career 9/7 backup is averaging 12/9/1 in 30 minutes. Seems like he's thriving under Lenny

Of all the starters the only guy floundering is TT, and Lenny even designed plays and put forth obvious effort to get him the ball early in games, he's just sucked regardless.

Looks to me like most of these guys are thriving under Lenny just fine. Who is Lenny failing to utilize? Who isnt playing well because of Lenny's system or Lenny's schemes?

People see losses and they see a guy miss shots or fail to defend and they bitch about the coach for not playing "that guy"

Its the classic backup QB syndrome.

How about this team is flawed and until (next year) we can significantly upgrade our frontcourt we will be about .500 and struggle against good teams and on the road?

Nobody thinks isiah has a hand in any of this?

Isiah is accountable for the success, but not the failure?

you think Lenny picks who plays? His coaches have no imput? Isiah?

Just curious!

I am thinking that a whole bunch of people on this site would have fired Nate McMillan last year as the Sonics coach.

Now what?

You GOT to give the man at least a year - maybe even more. When you are building a team up you almost always have to take a step or 2 back before you move forward.

Has Lenny been perfect? No. Have the player given 100% effort in all areas? No. Has the team executed what Lenny has put forth? I am guessing not.

Wow.

what i see is a lack of fire.

Why does this come from the coach? the great players in the NBA are great no matter who they play for. This is just perception. Just like doc river's got that Magic team to play .500 "with fire" 3 years later his team and star player totally quit on him and it cost him his job.

Lenny may not be the right guy but its premature to can him based on this groups performance.

Posted by fishmike:

wait a sec... how is Lenny not getting the most from his players?

Right now there is one guy in TT not playing well.

-Marbury's are the same but his FT, FG% and 3FG% are all up. Looks like Lenny has him taking better shots
-KT's rebounds are 3 above his career average and his PFs are down. Looks like Lenny has him playing smarter ball.
-Crawford's scoring and FG% and 3FG% are all up from last year. Not only is he scoring more but he's taking better shots.
-Nazr a career 9/7 backup is averaging 12/9/1 in 30 minutes. Seems like he's thriving under Lenny

Of all the starters the only guy floundering is TT, and Lenny even designed plays and put forth obvious effort to get him the ball early in games, he's just sucked regardless.

Looks to me like most of these guys are thriving under Lenny just fine. Who is Lenny failing to utilize? Who isnt playing well because of Lenny's system or Lenny's schemes?

Stat-wise Lenny is getting the most out of his players. Defensive intensity-wise, he's getting the least out of them (meaning most of them are playing to the *bottom* of their potential).

Lenny is going an ok job. We are a so-so team that plays really good at times.

Inflated expectations does not make lenny or this team any better, just more disappointed.

swish... Nailod nailed it.

I was not a big fan of Lenny when he was initially hired.

I think he's done a good job with what he has.

I probably wouldn't mind seeing JYD inserted into the starting line up in place of Tiny Tim.

Fish- I kinda got to really disagree with you about Kurt- not anyone can hit the open 15ft and while he isn't flashy, he gets the job done- we could be a lot worse at the 4.

My biggest complaint about Lenny is he hasn't developed a real flow to his substituions- Sweet should be getting more regular playing time, as should ariza.