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Bonn1997
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12/22/2004  11:24 PM
Posted by fishmike:
VC will be what Amare is to the Suns when it comes to making an impact in games.
now THATS funny. Good one playa
That is funny. I can't tell if he was actually being serious or just being a basketball comedian with that comment. If the latter, that's just sad

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 12/22/2004 23:25:22]
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12/23/2004  12:20 AM
from a marketing standpoint, will vince dominate starbury. talk about motivation the rivalry should be refreshing....get ready for fugazy part two, soon to be showing in the tri-state area.
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12/23/2004  12:50 AM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by djsunyc:
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He is heads above Isiah. But he has been at it longer also.

how did you come to that assessment?

remember he had a top 5 player at his position to trade for kidd.

he also had the #1 pick who was hurt with marbury but played his first healthy season after he was traded.

he made a great move in trading eddie griffin for rj and collins but who knew eddie was going to be this problematic. the crazy thing is that over the longhaul, if eddie can stay right, he may end up being better than rj.

he drafted kristic and isiah drafted ariza.

isiah was able to turn absolute garbage + potential in picks/milos/lampe for marbury.

now, thorn did have better assets to work but he made the most of them. isiah pretty much had a bare closet and he's trying to make the most of it.

time will tell so i can't really say thorn is better than isiah.

Typicall intoxicated Kook Aid response!

Come on dude, the nets went to the finals two years in a row, and did pretty good last year! The eddie Griff trade was brilliant regardless of how good Eddie turned out.

He has proven himself with a limited budget, and set himself up nice the next few years. All this with his hands tied with a flakey ownership situation for two years.

Isiah has an unlimited budget, done some nice things on paper, and is very early in his tenure. Im not saying Isiah is not a good GM, but has not acomplished what Thorn did. Thorn also Drafted Jordan!

NOt everything is a slant against isiah! Lets not be so darn sensitive about seeing things only thru blue and orange glasses, sometimes the reality is what it is.

For all we know, Isiah could be constructing the largest and most expensive colossal Phuchup in any sports history! We don't know, but we do know Thorn has a decent resume thus far. What is wrong with giving props to a job done.

If I had my choice of either for 5 years, I would take thorn without even blinking.

In fact, there are GM's quoted in yesterdays papers whom thought Isiah's hiring was rather curious given his background and mixed success in his post playing career.

Like Layden before him, I root for Isiah to be spectacular, but am well aware of his shortcomings!

hey, like i said, thorn has done his job, and he's done it well. but he had almost a clean slate to work with in terms of cap room and he had a stud to trade.

isiah made his moves, now it's time to see if they work out. it would be damn near impossible to expect him to get to two finals with what he inherited.

it was two different situations so who knows what thorn would've done with this squad. he probably wouldn't have even taken the job (like any smart man would).
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12/23/2004  1:47 AM
Thorn is a hell of a GM but I have to agree with DJ on this one. Zeke may have unlimited budget but he was put in a way tougher position. Plus he only got the budget he got because it was a move for Marbury a stud player & Crawford a potential stud player. Its not like Dolan is okaying overpaying Spoon, Anderson, Houston or swaping Childs & Bogues ending contracts into Jackson & Eisley. Zeke wanted the challenge of turning the Knicks around unlike West another great GM who only wanted a team who had cap space and tradable assets so he choose Memphis.

Thorn had an easier road in turning the Nets a contender in the very weak east even though they had no shot at winning a championship than Zeke is having with the Knicks. Zeke also didn't create the salary cap hell he just changed the players around like he said. The only true salary he has added was replacing Marbury with Dice ending salary. Signing Crawford & KT, Swaping Eisley & Ward for Hardaway added a little salary since Wards contract was able to be terminated but all the moves which he added salary are all solid and benifit the future. Baker added salary as well but that was a side move to get the Crawford deal done.

But the only way to truley compare is to put them both in the same situations. All I got to say is imagine if Zeke had the #1 pick in the draft, cap room, & a stud player to dangle around.
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12/23/2004  6:34 AM
He will probably spend 60% of his Net career on the DL.
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12/23/2004  8:15 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by fishmike:

[quote] VC will be what Amare is to the Suns when it comes to making an impact in games.
now THATS funny. Good one playa
That is funny. I can't tell if he was actually being serious or just being a basketball comedian with that comment. If the latter, that's just sad

Dude I was dead serious, when I say impact I mean making momentum swinging plays that impact the game.
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12/23/2004  9:55 AM
Amare's a solid MVP candidate, averaging 25+ and 10 on the best team in the league (record wise). Vince has led his team to the draft lottery the past two years. Anyone who compares the two is just hopeless
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12/23/2004  10:46 AM
We sometimes fail to measure the impact at the box office!

That is not our gig, but there are some owners that really do care!

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12/23/2004  12:57 PM
Posted by Nalod:

We sometimes fail to measure the impact at the box office!

That is not our gig, but there are some owners that really do care!
I don't think anyone failed to realize Vince's impact on the box office. That's a different discussion, though. Playa was talking about how Vince would do on the court, comparing him to Amare Stoudemire
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12/23/2004  1:42 PM
Vince Carter was one shot away from reaching the finals when he was half man half amazing. He is only 27. Though he may not have the impact that Stoud has on the suns he can still be a superstar. He is young and talented enough to do so. All he needs is motiavtion and moving to the Nets may just be that. Hopefully for our sake it isn't.
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12/23/2004  1:47 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Vince Carter was one shot away from reaching the finals when he was half man half amazing. He is only 27. Though he may not have the impact that Stoud has on the suns he can still be a superstar. He is young and talented enough to do so. All he needs is motiavtion and moving to the Nets may just be that. Hopefully for our sake it isn't.

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12/23/2004  1:50 PM
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12/23/2004  7:20 PM
What I mean when i use the term impact, you guys don't understand what I'm talking about.

If the game is close and Jersey is up by 2 with 20 sec left and Vince goes around his defender and sends a thunderous dunk along the baseline.

You can pretty well call it a night.

Players like VC have the kind of finishes in them that demoralize opposing teams.
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12/23/2004  7:40 PM
The Nets have a fractured roster. They only realy have Jason Collins (LOL)up front. Watch VC's brittle azz break before All-Star Weekend.

The Nets will continue to crash and burn... Great!

I am a KNICKS FAN... Rooting for a team worlds better than the goddamned Nets.

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We DON'T want 'em in Brooklyn, either.

[Edited by - HARDCOREKNICKSFAN on 12/23/2004 19:43:40]
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12/23/2004  7:42 PM
BTW, this thread belongs in the NBA forum. It's an eyesore to those who check this forum to talk KNICKS.

NJ...brilliant...two words that NEVER should be used in the same sentence.
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12/23/2004  9:42 PM
Brilliant move my A$$ !!! ALl NJ did was cut their own throats by unloading practically all their muscle up front..

HOW in the hell was that a brilliant move???? Carter is soft and got no heart...

In order for Kidd to get the ball to RJ or Carter, someone up front has to rebound the ball and whose that JAson Collins??? LOL!!!
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12/24/2004  1:44 PM
They traded 3 average players and 2 picks in a very weak draft for Vince Carter in his prime. Its not like they traded Stoudemire or J'Oneal. In the long run they would be better off developing Kristic 7'0 240 22 yrs old. Plus they have the cap room in the offseason with Mutombo's buyout expireing to sign another quality big.
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The Carter to NJ move was brilliant for NJ.

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