TripleThreat wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Bring everyone back.

Target Donte DiVincenzo ( heading into next season, he's an expiring contract) The "synergy" with the NovaCorps group was a big factor in their ability to convert in tough situations. I'm not sure Donte D is the same player he was when he was last in a Knicks uniform, but he an excellent potential weapon if Mike Brown can optimize his remaining strengths.

Target Gary Payton II. He might be at the full end of his rope, but Mike Brown used Josh Hart, in a supercharged fashion, the way he used Payton II for the 2022 Warriors championship team. Payton II at his best is pure chaos in a bottle against the other team. Fully disruptive. Unclear if there is any juice left to squeeze out, but I'd say it's worth a flier

Investigate Saddiq Bey and Jeremiah Robinson Earl. Again, more Nova guys. Give them preseason looks. Others I'd look at casually - Yuki Kawamura, Kyle Lowry, Mike Conley, Xavier Tillman and Simone Fontecchio. The Knick are one of the few teams that can hide Kawamura defensively, and with some extended burn, I think he can run a 2nd unit.

My "Briggs" pick ( i.e. helpful but outside my own methodology) would be Cam Thomas. Again, not as a starter, but as a 2nd unit scoring engine. The Knicks can do just enough to cover for him defensively and most teams cannot. With limited minutes, he can help you hold onto leads while Brunson rests. He's a headcase though. Briggs was never wrong about "microwave" scoring, it is a tremendous asset to have on a team. My contention is you can't overpay for it. On a "Prove It" deal, Cam Thomas could be useful.

Pretty sure Clarkson is done. Shamet has created himself a market in free agency and the Knicks IMHO should let him walk. I would let Mitch Robinson go too.

Can the Knicks repeat? I think they can retake the East again, I don't know if they can win another ring. A lot went right for them this season ( relatively good health, good matchups in the playoffs, avoiding OKC Thunder in the Finals)

Diawara is a gem. He's raw, but projectible to be a top 25 defensive perimeter cover in this league. Whether they can keep him long term, that's unclear.

Knicks need a reserve Stretch 5. Also a secondary ballhandler who can sometimes create his own shot ( but what team doesn't need that?) They will need to be able to send defensive wings in waves off the bench to swarm other teams.

The current attrition and minutes load on Brunson is just not sustainable. He did Hercules level work this season, but it's not fair nor practical to ask for this to happen again next year.

Repeat? Difficult, not impossible. But likely entirely dependent on matchups. Brunson is tremendous, but not flawless. There are teams that can neutralize him better than the Spurs did.

For what it’s worth, I totally see DiVincenzo coming back next summer as a free agent.

Rookie wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:Right now I dont even care what happens next, we finally won one, and we did it with our team. We didn't need a Lebron or KD to come here and save us.

We have one guy that was the 1st pick in the draft and we got him for freekin; Randle, the big ragu and a bag of chips. As talented as he is offensively, he became a lunchpail guy in this series. Unsung hero;s galore in this run. Bridges had his moments, Shamet shined but all together this was a TEAM TITLE. This is why I laugh at Haliburton and even Wemby in this series. They arent capable of leading a team with the maturity of our Capt

I wonder what Ja Morant could have been with a Rick Brunson instead of Tea/Tee? As a dad

Knicks also got a 2nd pick in the draft for Quentin Richardson. (Darko Millicic)
Shortly later, they traded QRic again(!), 40 yo Camby, and Steve Novak for another 1st pick in the draft. (Andrea Bargnani)

Rookie wrote:

Chandler wrote:for the life of me I don't see Mitch as a bottom dollar guy; a fair offer and he stays.

I believe Mitchel will get a fair offer, the best we can give and he will stay. He is my priority. His elite defense and rim protection should be overshadowed by the missed free throws. Plus, he’s goofy as hell, fits with this group and just seems like an all around good guy……and loves dogs and trucks😁

The practical situation is this - The five core players from this championship season are all in their 30s. In basic terms, the Knicks get one more season with this core and that's likely it.

Big men do not age at the same relative rate as other position players. Their decline phase is typically much faster and they fall harder. That being said, KAT has floor spacing ability and that's a huge plus. I think the Knicks would be happy to have him for one more season. Then he's too risky to hold onto, they should IMHO let him walk after that.

I love Josh Hart. Everyone loves Josh Hart. He's a critical player for this SPECIFIC franchise. But he's an energy guy and a glue guy and that's a big ask at 22 million a season, with his attrition and age range. Again, one more season is great. After that, I believe the Knicks are better off letting him go.

Anonuby will have a much softer decline phase. Mikal Bridges cost way too many draft picks to let go now. Do I think he was worth 5 first round picks? I believe a championship was worth 5 first round picks, but no other GM in the entire league would have made that deal and there's a reason for that. Brunson I believe will get a "make good" deal from this franchise as a reward for this championship. He's earned the right to be the face of this franchise, even in his decline phase. I don't think his decline will be very pretty to be honest.

If you only have one more season, next season, with this core, then the team, IMHO, is better off seeking outside help that either have deep rapport with the "NovaCorps" pathway OR have some established history with Mike Brown ( either Sacto or his last few years at Golden State), so there's some built in synergy at work, you don't have to start just from scratch.

Mitch Robinson has to be viewed, IMHO, in a VORP perspective. Value Over Replacement Player. Can you get some defense and rim protection, maybe 65-70 percent of what MRob gives you, if he's healthy ( that's a big "IF") at 25-30 percent of the cost? The changes in the CBA make it harder for contenders to get buy out players at the end of the season as "ring chasers" If that avenue was still open, the Spurs would have had more help to hurt the Knicks to be honest.

MRob was invaluable as depth as the Spurs really had no pivots to back up Wemby. But that was for this season and for a very specific matchup. Can he space the floor for you and create gravity? He cannot. So unless he comes back cheap, I believe you let him walk. The Knicks will be outbid and outpriced for Shamet so say goodbye now. But Shamet really was a huge help for this team. But still, the situation doesn't line up again well for a return.

If the Knicks do not repeat next season, the "window" is closed. Their best chance is to take the Eastern Conference, which is still in a fair amount of disarray, and hope for another favorable slate of matchups against specific Western teams that don't mesh well against the Knicks roster.

That's it guys. One more year. One more good run in this team. I certainly love this team, but no one is going to want to love this team as the core roster enters their mid 30s. Brunson, out of respect, and Anonuby, sure and fine. Mikal Bridges is more of a political / perception situation in terms of keeping him longer, but expect Hart and KAT to be gone after next year. If KAT buckles at not getting an extension? Then you trade him. Sad as that sounds. But seems like he wants to try one more year with this core roster.

IMHO, Donte D should be the main target this offseason. They'll need another backup pivot at a cheaper cost. Can they get a Stretch 5? I doubt it, but if they can get 15 minutes a game of league average rim protection with some rim running, that will work. It's not ideal, but it's enough.

If you can get a mini breakout from Diawara and pick up Donte D plus Payton II, that looks strong to me. Not perfect, but strong. You hope someone like Kyle Lowry is willing to give this team maybe 7-8 minutes a game as a backup floor general. That too would be ideal.

None of the Knicks five core guys were drafted by them. Four were trades and Brunson was a street free agent who signed into empty cap space at a huge discount. Team construction this way is never built for longevity. The OKC Thunder as currently constructed are built for a window of about 4-5 years. But that's not this team. This is not a "dynasty" team, it was and is a great current team though, one that we love, but it's not built for distance.

TripleThreat wrote:

Rookie wrote:

Chandler wrote:for the life of me I don't see Mitch as a bottom dollar guy; a fair offer and he stays.

I believe Mitchel will get a fair offer, the best we can give and he will stay. He is my priority. His elite defense and rim protection should be overshadowed by the missed free throws. Plus, he’s goofy as hell, fits with this group and just seems like an all around good guy……and loves dogs and trucks😁

The practical situation is this - The five core players from this championship season are all in their 30s. In basic terms, the Knicks get one more season with this core and that's likely it.

Big men do not age at the same relative rate as other position players. Their decline phase is typically much faster and they fall harder. That being said, KAT has floor spacing ability and that's a huge plus. I think the Knicks would be happy to have him for one more season. Then he's too risky to hold onto, they should IMHO let him walk after that.

I love Josh Hart. Everyone loves Josh Hart. He's a critical player for this SPECIFIC franchise. But he's an energy guy and a glue guy and that's a big ask at 22 million a season, with his attrition and age range. Again, one more season is great. After that, I believe the Knicks are better off letting him go.

Anonuby will have a much softer decline phase. Mikal Bridges cost way too many draft picks to let go now. Do I think he was worth 5 first round picks? I believe a championship was worth 5 first round picks, but no other GM in the entire league would have made that deal and there's a reason for that. Brunson I believe will get a "make good" deal from this franchise as a reward for this championship. He's earned the right to be the face of this franchise, even in his decline phase. I don't think his decline will be very pretty to be honest.

If you only have one more season, next season, with this core, then the team, IMHO, is better off seeking outside help that either have deep rapport with the "NovaCorps" pathway OR have some established history with Mike Brown ( either Sacto or his last few years at Golden State), so there's some built in synergy at work, you don't have to start just from scratch.

Mitch Robinson has to be viewed, IMHO, in a VORP perspective. Value Over Replacement Player. Can you get some defense and rim protection, maybe 65-70 percent of what MRob gives you, if he's healthy ( that's a big "IF") at 25-30 percent of the cost? The changes in the CBA make it harder for contenders to get buy out players at the end of the season as "ring chasers" If that avenue was still open, the Spurs would have had more help to hurt the Knicks to be honest.

MRob was invaluable as depth as the Spurs really had no pivots to back up Wemby. But that was for this season and for a very specific matchup. Can he space the floor for you and create gravity? He cannot. So unless he comes back cheap, I believe you let him walk. The Knicks will be outbid and outpriced for Shamet so say goodbye now. But Shamet really was a huge help for this team. But still, the situation doesn't line up again well for a return.

If the Knicks do not repeat next season, the "window" is closed. Their best chance is to take the Eastern Conference, which is still in a fair amount of disarray, and hope for another favorable slate of matchups against specific Western teams that don't mesh well against the Knicks roster.

That's it guys. One more year. One more good run in this team. I certainly love this team, but no one is going to want to love this team as the core roster enters their mid 30s. Brunson, out of respect, and Anonuby, sure and fine. Mikal Bridges is more of a political / perception situation in terms of keeping him longer, but expect Hart and KAT to be gone after next year. If KAT buckles at not getting an extension? Then you trade him. Sad as that sounds. But seems like he wants to try one more year with this core roster.

IMHO, Donte D should be the main target this offseason. They'll need another backup pivot at a cheaper cost. Can they get a Stretch 5? I doubt it, but if they can get 15 minutes a game of league average rim protection with some rim running, that will work. It's not ideal, but it's enough.

If you can get a mini breakout from Diawara and pick up Donte D plus Payton II, that looks strong to me. Not perfect, but strong. You hope someone like Kyle Lowry is willing to give this team maybe 7-8 minutes a game as a backup floor general. That too would be ideal.

None of the Knicks five core guys were drafted by them. Four were trades and Brunson was a street free agent who signed into empty cap space at a huge discount. Team construction this way is never built for longevity. The OKC Thunder as currently constructed are built for a window of about 4-5 years. But that's not this team. This is not a "dynasty" team, it was and is a great current team though, one that we love, but it's not built for distance.

They’re a bit younger than that but I get your point. We have an opportunity in this draft to find young talent. Can we draft well, go over the 2nd apron this year, hopefully repeat and then trade guys like Mitch, Shamet, Alvarado, Hart?, KAT? to get safely under the apron and acquire young talent / draft capital?

Evolve. Not rebuild.

I’m looking for a positionally sized PF that is a 3&D. Not to replace Hart, but over time to allow the Knicks to use positionally sized 5 out sets.

Diawara could be that guy. But I’d need him to take a 4 year contract at 4mm a year or so. A Deuce type contract.

Also there is not a single guy who I think truly covets more money and/or a bigger role than they do competing at the highest level w a bunch of guys who respect you as teammates

Gone are the days of Melo referring to his supporting cast.

Also I trust my eyes more than stats. Most of our guys play like old men already relying on smarts, passing and position rather than jumping through the roof. I don’t see any imminent decline with THESE guys

TripleThreat wrote:

Rookie wrote:

Chandler wrote:for the life of me I don't see Mitch as a bottom dollar guy; a fair offer and he stays.

I believe Mitchel will get a fair offer, the best we can give and he will stay. He is my priority. His elite defense and rim protection should be overshadowed by the missed free throws. Plus, he’s goofy as hell, fits with this group and just seems like an all around good guy……and loves dogs and trucks😁

The practical situation is this - The five core players from this championship season are all in their 30s. In basic terms, the Knicks get one more season with this core and that's likely it.

Big men do not age at the same relative rate as other position players. Their decline phase is typically much faster and they fall harder. That being said, KAT has floor spacing ability and that's a huge plus. I think the Knicks would be happy to have him for one more season. Then he's too risky to hold onto, they should IMHO let him walk after that.

I love Josh Hart. Everyone loves Josh Hart. He's a critical player for this SPECIFIC franchise. But he's an energy guy and a glue guy and that's a big ask at 22 million a season, with his attrition and age range. Again, one more season is great. After that, I believe the Knicks are better off letting him go.

Anonuby will have a much softer decline phase. Mikal Bridges cost way too many draft picks to let go now. Do I think he was worth 5 first round picks? I believe a championship was worth 5 first round picks, but no other GM in the entire league would have made that deal and there's a reason for that. Brunson I believe will get a "make good" deal from this franchise as a reward for this championship. He's earned the right to be the face of this franchise, even in his decline phase. I don't think his decline will be very pretty to be honest.

If you only have one more season, next season, with this core, then the team, IMHO, is better off seeking outside help that either have deep rapport with the "NovaCorps" pathway OR have some established history with Mike Brown ( either Sacto or his last few years at Golden State), so there's some built in synergy at work, you don't have to start just from scratch.

Mitch Robinson has to be viewed, IMHO, in a VORP perspective. Value Over Replacement Player. Can you get some defense and rim protection, maybe 65-70 percent of what MRob gives you, if he's healthy ( that's a big "IF") at 25-30 percent of the cost? The changes in the CBA make it harder for contenders to get buy out players at the end of the season as "ring chasers" If that avenue was still open, the Spurs would have had more help to hurt the Knicks to be honest.

MRob was invaluable as depth as the Spurs really had no pivots to back up Wemby. But that was for this season and for a very specific matchup. Can he space the floor for you and create gravity? He cannot. So unless he comes back cheap, I believe you let him walk. The Knicks will be outbid and outpriced for Shamet so say goodbye now. But Shamet really was a huge help for this team. But still, the situation doesn't line up again well for a return.

If the Knicks do not repeat next season, the "window" is closed. Their best chance is to take the Eastern Conference, which is still in a fair amount of disarray, and hope for another favorable slate of matchups against specific Western teams that don't mesh well against the Knicks roster.

That's it guys. One more year. One more good run in this team. I certainly love this team, but no one is going to want to love this team as the core roster enters their mid 30s. Brunson, out of respect, and Anonuby, sure and fine. Mikal Bridges is more of a political / perception situation in terms of keeping him longer, but expect Hart and KAT to be gone after next year. If KAT buckles at not getting an extension? Then you trade him. Sad as that sounds. But seems like he wants to try one more year with this core roster.

IMHO, Donte D should be the main target this offseason. They'll need another backup pivot at a cheaper cost. Can they get a Stretch 5? I doubt it, but if they can get 15 minutes a game of league average rim protection with some rim running, that will work. It's not ideal, but it's enough.

If you can get a mini breakout from Diawara and pick up Donte D plus Payton II, that looks strong to me. Not perfect, but strong. You hope someone like Kyle Lowry is willing to give this team maybe 7-8 minutes a game as a backup floor general. That too would be ideal.

None of the Knicks five core guys were drafted by them. Four were trades and Brunson was a street free agent who signed into empty cap space at a huge discount. Team construction this way is never built for longevity. The OKC Thunder as currently constructed are built for a window of about 4-5 years. But that's not this team. This is not a "dynasty" team, it was and is a great current team though, one that we love, but it's not built for distance.

Solid take. Please remembrer Donte is out for the next season. He tore his achilles in april. These guys need 12 months. Can we really tie up 12mm and not get anything from him? Hate to say a player like that losing some hops might never return to top form?

Bottom line is we as fans in the weird place of discussing how to run it back and compete knowing the enevitable will happen.
Is Leon going to let sentiment enter his decision making or do what is needed? Maybe a bit of both?

Gersson Rosas? Other than not having good domestic decsions regarding his love life did help pivot the timberwolves befoe he blew it. He is senior vice president of basketball operations on a championship team! Curious if he gets promoted here or elsewhere? He was once a sought after level exec and still is only 48 years old. We don't talk about him much here but evident by a championship he played a role!

Mike Brown? Im going to try to forget him singing "Who let the dogs out".
Chris Jent? Maybe the first from Mike browns champsionship tree to leave the nest? I doubt this summer, but at some point?

Nalod wrote:

Rookie wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:Right now I dont even care what happens next, we finally won one, and we did it with our team. We didn't need a Lebron or KD to come here and save us.

We have one guy that was the 1st pick in the draft and we got him for freekin’ Randle, the big ragu and a bag of chips. As talented as he is offensively, he became a lunchpail guy in this series. Unsung hero’s galore in this run. Bridges had his moments, Shamet shined but all together this was a TEAM TITLE. This is why I laugh at Haliburton and even Wemby in this series. They aren’t capable of leading a team with the maturity of our Capt

I wonder what Ja Morant could have been with a Rick Brunson instead of Tea/Tee? As a dad

Player dads! Thats like a whole other thread. Lavar Ball was spewing his thing after Cav's went down that Lonzo was the answer.
Fact is Lonzo could not stay on the court nor play well enough for cav's to have conficence in him.

Sad thing is those awful sneaker might have actually been the cause?
Credit Tee and Lavar for getting his son(s) to the NBA. Lonzo was the 2nd pick by the Lakers!!!!

As for Rick and Jalen? This one is a great story! Might be cheesy but someone gonna make a movie about this?

While we at it, Lebron is unrestricted but Bronny is not. Obvious he is not his dad but reading the kid is fundamentally getting better and might have a career of some sorts in the NBA.

For all the starphuching we did for decades and far more fan starphuching dreams written on the UK, at the end of the day Knicks did it without it. Now that we got one in the books anyone that wants to come at a big discont and wants to be here would be a cool story. Not Durant of course. We still not cool enought for him!

While I don't think Mitch or Landry chase the dollar exclusiveley I can see them leaving if the money is there. Its lovely to run it back for the fans. A "Victory Lap" of sorts. They earned it. But in time players get traded, yoot needs to be implemented and the odds are we don't repeat. So how far does Leon take it?

We read this team has core two year window still in place.
Is Leon gonna be the man still in charge for that and the next rebuild?
Also how do we think Jalen, KAT, Josh and Mikal will age?

Brooklyn is counting on the 2029 & 2031 draft picks getting into the lottery from the Bridges trade

martin wrote:I think the numbers are close. Team options in green.

	DOB		Player		Age	2026-27		2027-28	 	2028-29 	2029-30 
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1	11/15/1995	KAT		30	57,078,728	61,015,192		
2	7/17/1997	OG Anunoby 	28	42,500,000	45,431,034	 48,362,068 	
3	8/31/1996	Jalen Brunson	29	37,739,521	40,535,041	 43,330,561 	
4	8/30/1996	Mikal Bridges	29	33,482,145	36,160,714	 38,839,285 	41,517,856
5	3/6/1995	Josh Hart	31	20,923,760	22,375,280		
6	4/1/1998	Mitch Robinson	28				
7	4/12/1998	Jose Alvarado	28	4,500,000			
8	9/8/2000	Miles McBride	25	3,956,523			
9	3/13/1997	Landry Shamet	29				
10	4/29/2005	Mohamed Diawara	21				
11	6/7/1992	Jordan Clarkson	34				
12	5/20/2003	Jeremy Sochan 	23				
13	4/12/2002	Ariel Hukporti 	24				
14	3/27/2001	Tyler Kolek 	25	2,296,271	2,486,995		
15	7/27/2005	Pacome Dadiet	20	2,983,680	5,373,608		
16	3/15/2001	Kevin McCullar 	25				
17	11/28/1999	Trey Jemison	26				
18	10/29/2001	Dillion Jones	24				
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			Team Totals		205,460,628	
			CAP			166,000,000			
			Luxury Tax		207,300,000			
			Apron 1			210,330,000			
			Apron 2			223,081,000			
		

Do we get the full MLE? We have a cap hold for our 2026 draft pick. We could be punting on the pick to sign FA’s. This is a deep draft and we need to keep adding young assets but tough decisions lie ahead. One thing is certain, you know this FO has a plan