Rookie wrote:What do you think is a fair contract for Mo? 4 years 22M with the last year being a player option?

This is fairly unprecedented to get a big contract like this with such low career minutes. Especially with a player option. I also think Mo will opt for lesser years knowing he can cash in earlier. I’m thinking maybe 2 years 10M or 3 years 15M. But we will see.

martin wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Rose needs to extend both Mo and Shamet now.

Too bad he really cant?

Waive Clarkson

If we wind up matching Mo, re-signing Shamet and re-signing Mitch, we'll likely need to go over the 2nd apron. As long we don't have a disastrous playoff and get reasonably close, I think that's what we end up doing.

Nalod wrote:The kid is 20 and an opportunity is more valuable sometimes then some contracts. That he proved himself is one thing but he also owes the team the benefit of the doubt given few contending teams let rookies do what he is doing. With the right coach and staff in place that is very important than say go to a **** team with cap space and take nice 2 year-3 year deal. He is learning, surrounded by a mature group of players, and thriving. So rare this happens. Ask Frank. Ask Trier. Frank was drafted into chaos and he failed to execute. Trier was given a golden ticket/contract and was never to be seen again. Shit happens for many reasons. Not just Knicks either.

I know we all excited about his upside and if true the money will come regardless. Im not saying he ownes us a debt of graditude he should repay to his detriment. He, his agent, and the knicks had a plan and he fulfilled/executed his end wonderfully. Relationships that work are rare and I gather this FO, lead by an very smart former agent knows how to lay it all out to everyones benefit.

Maybe what we miss is we don't bring everyone back thus creating salary spots that can be filled. ON the surface Mitch and perhaps Josh could be gone. I don't know how our FO feels about Giannis and at what price. That itself will create massive change.

While there is value in running it back one more year with this core under Brown if there is still a higher ceiling with the same group, one can also say if we don't go to finals with Mitch and Josh, then maybe there is another path?
Same with KAT, OG and Mikal I suppose.

I don't see it, but all things I gather are on the table. That also includes at some level and in time Diawa becomming a really good trade chip. Kind of like Deuce with his current contract. Its another reason development is important. They create opportunities (IQ).

I thought the graphic during the SAS game sunday that Spurs get so much production from drafted players while the knicks hardly get any was interesting. They were not critical, just said there were different paths.

If you could choose only one of Deuce and Alvarado who you got? Deuce’s next contract is going to hurt, could be time to move on and stick with the veteran minimum guy. Besides we have a guy who’s not really a point guard but too small to be a shooting guard named Brunson. I love Deuce but sometimes you can’t keep everybody. Mitch on the other hand isn’t going anywhere. If someone is going to do a team friendly contest it’s him.

With the cap situation I don’t see us keeping our FRP either. Maybe we just kick it down the road because going over that second apron looks like a bad way to go.

Rookie wrote:

Nalod wrote:The kid is 20 and an opportunity is more valuable sometimes then some contracts. That he proved himself is one thing but he also owes the team the benefit of the doubt given few contending teams let rookies do what he is doing. With the right coach and staff in place that is very important than say go to a **** team with cap space and take nice 2 year-3 year deal. He is learning, surrounded by a mature group of players, and thriving. So rare this happens. Ask Frank. Ask Trier. Frank was drafted into chaos and he failed to execute. Trier was given a golden ticket/contract and was never to be seen again. Shit happens for many reasons. Not just Knicks either.

I know we all excited about his upside and if true the money will come regardless. Im not saying he ownes us a debt of graditude he should repay to his detriment. He, his agent, and the knicks had a plan and he fulfilled/executed his end wonderfully. Relationships that work are rare and I gather this FO, lead by an very smart former agent knows how to lay it all out to everyones benefit.

Maybe what we miss is we don't bring everyone back thus creating salary spots that can be filled. ON the surface Mitch and perhaps Josh could be gone. I don't know how our FO feels about Giannis and at what price. That itself will create massive change.

While there is value in running it back one more year with this core under Brown if there is still a higher ceiling with the same group, one can also say if we don't go to finals with Mitch and Josh, then maybe there is another path?
Same with KAT, OG and Mikal I suppose.

I don't see it, but all things I gather are on the table. That also includes at some level and in time Diawa becomming a really good trade chip. Kind of like Deuce with his current contract. Its another reason development is important. They create opportunities (IQ).

I thought the graphic during the SAS game sunday that Spurs get so much production from drafted players while the knicks hardly get any was interesting. They were not critical, just said there were different paths.

If you could choose only one of Deuce and Alvarado who you got? Deuce’s next contract is going to hurt, could be time to move on and stick with the veteran minimum guy. Besides we have a guy who’s not really a point guard but too small to be a shooting guard named Brunson. I love Deuce but sometimes you can’t keep everybody. Mitch on the other hand isn’t going anywhere. If someone is going to do a team friendly contest it’s him.

With the cap situation I don’t see us keeping our FRP either. Maybe we just kick it down the road because going over that second apron looks like a bad way to go.

I think the choice isn’t between Jose and Deuce, it’s between Shamet and Deuce. Both operate as 3 and D guards. Shamet can play up but Deuce provides more ball handling. Deuce is better overall but will get paid more. Outside of our starting 5, I think Alvarado, Mitch and Diawara come back and the final rotation spot is either shamet or Deuce as a 3&D guy. Then they will just fill out the roster on minimum contracts and rookie contracts. Ultimately the Deuce/ shamet decision comes down to money. If shamet is fine coming back cheap, great. If he wants to get paid, he’s probably gone and the Knicks shift focus to a deuce extension. This is all assuming no major trade. Obviously a trade changes things.

Rookie wrote:

Nalod wrote:The kid is 20 and an opportunity is more valuable sometimes then some contracts. That he proved himself is one thing but he also owes the team the benefit of the doubt given few contending teams let rookies do what he is doing. With the right coach and staff in place that is very important than say go to a **** team with cap space and take nice 2 year-3 year deal. He is learning, surrounded by a mature group of players, and thriving. So rare this happens. Ask Frank. Ask Trier. Frank was drafted into chaos and he failed to execute. Trier was given a golden ticket/contract and was never to be seen again. Shit happens for many reasons. Not just Knicks either.

I know we all excited about his upside and if true the money will come regardless. Im not saying he ownes us a debt of graditude he should repay to his detriment. He, his agent, and the knicks had a plan and he fulfilled/executed his end wonderfully. Relationships that work are rare and I gather this FO, lead by an very smart former agent knows how to lay it all out to everyones benefit.

Maybe what we miss is we don't bring everyone back thus creating salary spots that can be filled. ON the surface Mitch and perhaps Josh could be gone. I don't know how our FO feels about Giannis and at what price. That itself will create massive change.

While there is value in running it back one more year with this core under Brown if there is still a higher ceiling with the same group, one can also say if we don't go to finals with Mitch and Josh, then maybe there is another path?
Same with KAT, OG and Mikal I suppose.

I don't see it, but all things I gather are on the table. That also includes at some level and in time Diawa becomming a really good trade chip. Kind of like Deuce with his current contract. Its another reason development is important. They create opportunities (IQ).

I thought the graphic during the SAS game sunday that Spurs get so much production from drafted players while the knicks hardly get any was interesting. They were not critical, just said there were different paths.

If you could choose only one of Deuce and Alvarado who you got? Deuce’s next contract is going to hurt, could be time to move on and stick with the veteran minimum guy. Besides we have a guy who’s not really a point guard but too small to be a shooting guard named Brunson. I love Deuce but sometimes you can’t keep everybody. Mitch on the other hand isn’t going anywhere. If someone is going to do a team friendly contest it’s him.

With the cap situation I don’t see us keeping our FRP either. Maybe we just kick it down the road because going over that second apron looks like a bad way to go.

Deuce!
He's younger, will make slightly less $ next year, offers more defensively (specifically size and length) and can do a lot more offensively.
I like Jose, but gun to my head between the 2, I'm keeping Deuce