It's still crazy to me that we extended Thibs contract for 3 more years and he didn't even play one single day of his extension.

OffDaMeterzzzz wrote:

Rookie wrote:I give Mike Brown 2 years before he is fired

It's still crazy to me that we extended Thibs contract for 3 more years and he didn't even play one single day of his extension.

Firing Thibs and downgrading our coach with the most talented roster this century is extremely frustrating and disappointing.

Mike is an experienced average coach and will absolutely be replaced within 2 years. I would be surprised if he is here beyond that. Thibs is a terrific coach and did not deserve to be fired. I understand his shortcomings, but it did not warrant his dismissal. He wanted be here.

Expecting to reach the finals in Mike’s first season as head coach is ridiculous and breeds a losing culture. Of course we want to reach the finals, however the pressure and expectation during his first season sounds like a money grab via gift of gab.

Yes! YES!!!

OffDaMeterzzzz wrote:

Rookie wrote:I give Mike Brown 2 years before he is fired

It's still crazy to me that we extended Thibs contract for 3 more years and he didn't even play one single day of his extension.

Firing Thibs and downgrading our coach with the most talented roster this century is extremely frustrating and disappointing.

Mike is an experienced average coach and will absolutely be replaced within 2 years. I would be surprised if he is here beyond that. Thibs is a terrific coach and did not deserve to be fired. I understand his shortcomings, but it did not warrant his dismissal. He wanted be here.

Expecting to reach the finals in Mike’s first season as head coach is ridiculous and breeds a losing culture. Of course we want to reach the finals, however the pressure and expectation during his first season sounds like a money grab via gift of gab.

. Thibodeau has a career regular season record of 578-420 (.579), while Brown is 454-304 (.599). In the playoffs, Brown has a 50-40 (.556) record, whereas Thibodeau is 48-55 (.466). Overall, Brown has a better winning percentage (.594) than Thibodeau (.569).
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Tom Thibodeau:
Regular Season: 578-420 (.579)
Playoffs: 48-55 (.466)
Total: 626-475 (.569)
Mike Brown:
Regular Season: 454-304 (.599)
Playoffs: 50-40 (.556)
Total: 504-344 (.594)

Tom vs Mike

Respect your right to your opinion but, it may not be factually accurate, and I loved Thibs.

GustavBahler wrote:From the beginning of last season until January, Knicks got off to a hot start, but the starting unit was a statistical negative from that point on. We rode the starters to a hot start, and things started to peter out by the new year.

It wouldn’t be surprising to see the Knicks have some early losses due to developing players, and incorporating the recent FAs into the rotation. It also wouldn’t be surprising if the Knicks drew a lower seed because of the growing pains of the bench. But I think we will be in a better position in the playoffs. A less taxed starting unit, and a deeper and better prepared bench.

We had some good wins earlier in the season, but also a cream puff schedule.

GustavBahler wrote:From the beginning of last season until January, Knicks got off to a hot start, but the starting unit was a statistical negative from that point on. We rode the starters to a hot start, and things started to peter out by the new year.

It wouldn’t be surprising to see the Knicks have some early losses due to developing players, and incorporating the recent FAs into the rotation. It also wouldn’t be surprising if the Knicks drew a lower seed because of the growing pains of the bench. But I think we will be in a better position in the playoffs. A less taxed starting unit, and a deeper and better prepared bench.

Just don’t see things being that much different. All coaches want to win. Especially new ones.
I hope you are right and Brown comes in and plays everyone like fans want. Not saying that’s your point but think Brown will go with a 8-9 man rotation of who he feels gives him the best chance to win. Also think we will gel quickly. We added a couple of experienced players who will improve the bench right away.

Tbh, I am focused on our defense intensity. It is the one thing I fear will drop off.

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:From the beginning of last season until January, Knicks got off to a hot start, but the starting unit was a statistical negative from that point on. We rode the starters to a hot start, and things started to peter out by the new year.

It wouldn’t be surprising to see the Knicks have some early losses due to developing players, and incorporating the recent FAs into the rotation. It also wouldn’t be surprising if the Knicks drew a lower seed because of the growing pains of the bench. But I think we will be in a better position in the playoffs. A less taxed starting unit, and a deeper and better prepared bench.

I don't see the young players getting burn like that unless its due to inj. Huk has the best shot at some mins if they go twin towers for the starting lineup. But Dadiet & Kolek have an uphill battle to climb to see mins based on whats ahead of them.

There could be scenarios where Brown offers rest days maybe that allows young players to get PT. Outside of that injuries seem like the best bet.

Imo what they are hoping for though is that by next season when Mikal & Mitch needs to be extended, and Clarkson is looking to get an increase for his final contract. They will also need to make decisions on Mikal, Hart, OG, Kat depending on how the season goes. Going into year 3 hopefully some of these young guys would be able to get plugged in to the rotation offering Knicks the flexibility to make these decisions easier.

So hopefully Kolek at $2.3mil would be ready to step up an replace Clarkson who will probably demand a lot more than that Rose that flexibility and optionality. Same for Huk who say gets resigned for a Deuce deal at like $4mil giving Rose flexibility and optionality on extending Mitch.

I see the view on Kolek wide open. He could very well be in the rotation or be cast into the Gleague never to be seen again with everything in between. This is not a "See, I called it" kind of view. With Knicks in win now mode and him 25 by March his two year window as a second round pick is limited. The kid has the game but the NBA speed and size is unforgiving. That he NOT 20 years old limits his knick window. Maybe he finds a future but not with Knicks.

Knicksfan wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:From the beginning of last season until January, Knicks got off to a hot start, but the starting unit was a statistical negative from that point on. We rode the starters to a hot start, and things started to peter out by the new year.

It wouldn’t be surprising to see the Knicks have some early losses due to developing players, and incorporating the recent FAs into the rotation. It also wouldn’t be surprising if the Knicks drew a lower seed because of the growing pains of the bench. But I think we will be in a better position in the playoffs. A less taxed starting unit, and a deeper and better prepared bench.

The league adapted to our starting lineup by daring Hart to shoot and better covering the rest. I think that around the same time reports started surfacing about Hart’s knee issues. Thibs didn’t adapt how he should’ve. Our defensive strategy hardly improved, and that was shocking coming from a Thibs team. The starting lineup had to be shaken up, and it wasn’t until we had a deficit on our final playoff series. I respect Thibs a lot, but management had many reasons to want to move forward. This sanctification of him because he was fired after a surprising run to the ECF is bizarre because we all went through a very frustrating season where it wasn’t until shocking how the Knicks, as successful as they were, still seemed to underachieve til the end. Nobody takes away what Thibs did for us, but the team needed a change.

Now, the problem for some here is that Brown isn’t sexy enough? He has proved himself as an assistant and as a head coach. He proved on his last stop that he can adapt to his roster and to the changes of the league and still be successful. Will he win us a championship? That’s yet to be seen, but if there is a coach close to do so with his experience it’s him. Now he has a battle-ready roster with a few bench upgrades at his disposal. It’s a good situation for both the team and him. He deserves a chance.

I think 2 things could be true at the same time: 1) The lineup needed to be changed from Jan onward and 2) There was nothing really to change to because of injuries (outside of riding rookies).

Knicks were fully limited last year because of the KAT trade/roster consolidation, injuries, and their decision to not play the young kids.

That's kind of the fuller story.

Nalod wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:From the beginning of last season until January, Knicks got off to a hot start, but the starting unit was a statistical negative from that point on. We rode the starters to a hot start, and things started to peter out by the new year.

It wouldn’t be surprising to see the Knicks have some early losses due to developing players, and incorporating the recent FAs into the rotation. It also wouldn’t be surprising if the Knicks drew a lower seed because of the growing pains of the bench. But I think we will be in a better position in the playoffs. A less taxed starting unit, and a deeper and better prepared bench.

I don't see the young players getting burn like that unless its due to inj. Huk has the best shot at some mins if they go twin towers for the starting lineup. But Dadiet & Kolek have an uphill battle to climb to see mins based on whats ahead of them.

There could be scenarios where Brown offers rest days maybe that allows young players to get PT. Outside of that injuries seem like the best bet.

Imo what they are hoping for though is that by next season when Mikal & Mitch needs to be extended, and Clarkson is looking to get an increase for his final contract. They will also need to make decisions on Mikal, Hart, OG, Kat depending on how the season goes. Going into year 3 hopefully some of these young guys would be able to get plugged in to the rotation offering Knicks the flexibility to make these decisions easier.

So hopefully Kolek at $2.3mil would be ready to step up an replace Clarkson who will probably demand a lot more than that Rose that flexibility and optionality. Same for Huk who say gets resigned for a Deuce deal at like $4mil giving Rose flexibility and optionality on extending Mitch.

I see the view on Kolek wide open. He could very well be in the rotation or be cast into the Gleague never to be seen again with everything in between. This is not a "See, I called it" kind of view. With Knicks in win now mode and him 25 by March his two year window as a second round pick is limited. The kid has the game but the NBA speed and size is unforgiving. That he NOT 20 years old limits his knick window. Maybe he finds a future but not with Knicks.

Kolek averaged seven minutes a game as a rook. Frank was a FRP, played professionally since he was a teenager in France, and got 20 minutes a game as a rook. Hard to give a definitive answer on Kolek with such a small sample size, but I believe we saw enough to be hopeful.