Nalod wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

ekstarks94 wrote:The 2020 draft....is Leon(70%) & Thibs(30%)

Leon son's was Obi's agent...so he was drafting at that spot while gauging trades on Randle...we needed a point at the time....They tried to get Maxey...but IQ was the fallback

Thibs...Obi was not a Thibs player...which was Thibs problem not Obi's .....with Thibs and selecting talent is like threading the eye of the needle.

I see things this way. Nothing wrong with Obi as a player. That wingspan and leaping ability are real. Perfect fit next to Hali but his lack of versatility and lack of toughness lost him his rotation spot in NY and in Indiana it let them feel comfortable trading for Siakam. In both places he was stuck behind ore rugged plays.

Well said. Precious filled the Thibian role for a while better than OBI did last season when Randle was hurt and we needed him at center for a time. Again, context matters. perhaps this past season Obi having improved his handle would have added more but his defense still questionable. Obi in transitions with KATS exceptional outlet passing off rebounds could have been exceptional weapon. But did we know KAT was gonna be here? Of course not.
Internally was FO at odds with Thibs over obi? His agent? There was frustration. It's a business remember. OBI needed to be in a situation he was valued and compensated. He got that.
Hindsight no doubt gives us clarity on what happened and what could have been. But go back two seasons now when it was time to commit or not to obi, what the roster looked like that off season and what his trade value was at that moment.

Knox was one of those bordering talents that perhaps on the right team/coach could have scored a long term deal giving him the window to establish. So many players like this. Indy has done a great job with its roster. Nesmith included.

Even KAT and Obi don't think they'd play together in the same rotation lol SIV!!

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

ekstarks94 wrote:The 2020 draft....is Leon(70%) & Thibs(30%)

Leon son's was Obi's agent...so he was drafting at that spot while gauging trades on Randle...we needed a point at the time....They tried to get Maxey...but IQ was the fallback

Thibs...Obi was not a Thibs player...which was Thibs problem not Obi's .....with Thibs and selecting talent is like threading the eye of the needle.

I see things this way. Nothing wrong with Obi as a player. That wingspan and leaping ability are real. Perfect fit next to Hali but his lack of versatility and lack of toughness lost him his rotation spot in NY and in Indiana it let them feel comfortable trading for Siakam. In both places he was stuck behind ore rugged plays.

Well said. Precious filled the Thibian role for a while better than OBI did last season when Randle was hurt and we needed him at center for a time. Again, context matters. perhaps this past season Obi having improved his handle would have added more but his defense still questionable. Obi in transitions with KATS exceptional outlet passing off rebounds could have been exceptional weapon. But did we know KAT was gonna be here? Of course not.
Internally was FO at odds with Thibs over obi? His agent? There was frustration. It's a business remember. OBI needed to be in a situation he was valued and compensated. He got that.
Hindsight no doubt gives us clarity on what happened and what could have been. But go back two seasons now when it was time to commit or not to obi, what the roster looked like that off season and what his trade value was at that moment.

Knox was one of those bordering talents that perhaps on the right team/coach could have scored a long term deal giving him the window to establish. So many players like this. Indy has done a great job with its roster. Nesmith included.

Even KAT and Obi don't think they'd play together in the same rotation lol SIV!!

Not in a Thibian regime!

GustavBahler wrote:Thank Fizdale, he used his leverage from signing with the Knicks to push for Knox over Bridges.

Fizdale was a disaster. Easily the worst coach I have ever seen even worse than Drunken Rambis.

TLover wrote:Agreed that relying on Fizdale (who was an empty suit) to make the call on Knox screwed us. But it was the ineptitude of Steve Mills & Dolan to bring in Fizdale thinking he could lure LeBron bc he was an assistant with the Heat. Just pure foolishness all around.

It wasn’t just fake LeBron hope. Fizz for whatever reason is tremendously liked and respected around the nba even though we now know he can’t coach his way out of a wet paper bag

TLover wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

TLover wrote:Agreed that relying on Fizdale (who was an empty suit) to make the call on Knox screwed us. But it was the ineptitude of Steve Mills & Dolan to bring in Fizdale thinking he could lure LeBron bc he was an assistant with the Heat. Just pure foolishness all around.

It wasn’t just fake LeBron hope. Fizz for whatever reason is tremendously liked and respected around the nba even though we now know he can’t coach his way out of a wet paper bag

It’s not who you know but what you know.. Thibs knows how to coach basketball, hopefully we don’t hire someone just to appease players, which was the reason Fizdale was hired.

Fiz was a great example of how we don’t live in a meritocracy and everything really comes down to networking and buttkissing. When Fiz got fired a bunch of nba head coaches including Eric Spoelstra began crying at press conferences acting like the guy had been executed for jaywalking. The media reaction was asinine even worse than when Larry Brown got fired.

I think Rose desperately wants Kidd and Kidd wants the Knicks. That’s why this is taking so long.

Philc1 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Thank Fizdale, he used his leverage from signing with the Knicks to push for Knox over Bridges.

Fizdale was a disaster. Easily the worst coach I have ever seen even worse than Drunken Rambis.

Ah, miss the genius of what was The Mills and Perry show.
They always pushed the right buttons.