SergioNYK wrote:Something I will never get over in the Thibs and JB era is how we lost 4 playoff series when we were favored to win. 2021 vs Atlanta, 2023 vs Miami, 2024 vs Indiana, 2025 vs Indiana. We were favored in all 4 and lost them all.

Man you have some heavy Knicks PTSD. You are literally trying to find ways to upset yourself and feel negative.

martin wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:Something I will never get over in the Thibs and JB era is how we lost 4 playoff series when we were favored to win. 2021 vs Atlanta, 2023 vs Miami, 2024 vs Indiana, 2025 vs Indiana. We were favored in all 4 and lost them all.

Man you have some heavy Knicks PTSD. You are literally trying to find ways to upset yourself and feel negative.

SergioNYK wrote:Something I will never get over in the Thibs and JB era is how we lost 4 playoff series when we were favored to win. 2021 vs Atlanta, 2023 vs Miami, 2024 vs Indiana, 2025 vs Indiana. We were favored in all 4 and lost them all.

Well that’s kinda why he was fired.

The new buzzword around NBA front offices is “alignment,” meaning everyone in the organization, from ownership to the front office, medical department, analytical staff, and the head coach, is on the same page. When I asked new Wolves president of basketball operations Gersson Rosas about why he took the job in Minnesota, he mentioned the opportunity for organizational alignment in the same breath as the ability to chart the path for Karl-Anthony Towns. In other words, Rosas wanted a coach who would be willing to work with him in putting Towns in the type of offense that he envisioned.

“[Jenkins] has the overall knowledge of everything that it takes to be a head coach. It always starts with a high basketball acumen [...] but you also need an understanding of what’s happening in the [NBA] landscape,” Budenholzer said. “How are you building culture, how are you building your team, can you work with a front office, can you collaborate—things like that. [That’s the] next step of being a head coach. There’s just a lot more that comes with it.”

https://www.theringer.com/2019/11/14/nba/taylor-jenkins-memphis-grizzlies-ja-morant-jaren-jackson

I can see why Leon would be interested. But how Jenkins lost the locker room this past season is concerning.

SergioNYK wrote:Well, I take it back. Looks like Jenkins losing the locker room had more to do with management undercutting his authority. But still if Jenkins is the guy, you have to empower him go choose his own staff!

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/44480928/no-one-was-same-page-memphis-grizzlies-shocking-firing-taylor-jenkins

Front office pretty much forced Jenkins to fire all of his assistants. The plan was for the newly hired assistant to implement the new offensive concepts while Jenkins supervised? The writing was on the wall that Jenkins was on the way out and the players knew it. Before last season, Memphis was always a tough, gritty team, well coached and was a tough out....I believe the Grizz won 60 games under Jenkins one year....Injuries always seemed to derail them at point or another

Uptown wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:Well, I take it back. Looks like Jenkins losing the locker room had more to do with management undercutting his authority. But still if Jenkins is the guy, you have to empower him go choose his own staff!

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/44480928/no-one-was-same-page-memphis-grizzlies-shocking-firing-taylor-jenkins

Front office pretty much forced Jenkins to fire all of his assistants. The plan was for the newly hired assistant to implement the new offensive concepts while Jenkins supervised? The writing was on the wall that Jenkins was on the way out and the players knew it. Before last season, Memphis was always a tough, gritty team, well coached and was a tough out....I believe the Grizz won 60 games under Jenkins one year....Injuries always seemed to derail them at point or another

So maybe our fanboy season long suggestions we add to THibs staff with “offensive coordinator” and what not perhaps not the best idea?

Both Mike Brown and Taylor Jenkins were those very coveted starphuch type rising assistants. Brown first NBA asst gig was at age 27 some 28 years ago! Lots of experiences to draw from.

HofstraBBall wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Im hearing Rick Brunson!

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/gilbert-arenas-uncovers-knicks-masterplan-105719531.html

Following Thibodeau's exit, the Knicks reportedly reached out to multiple teams to seek their permission to speak to their incumbent coaches for the potential job in New York. Among these teams were the Mavericks, Rockets, Timberwolves, Hawks, and Bulls.

While the sports media was baffled to see the Knicks shooting in the dark about their future, Gilbert Arenas felt that he could see through the pretension of the Knicks and believed he had uncovered their ulterior motives behind such a shocking move.

“What [the Knicks] are doing is, you’re offering the job to people that already got jobs, knowing what their answer is. So you’re pretending for the world that you’re actually looking for a job, and then you’re going to ‘settle’ for Rick. ‘Aw man! We couldn’t find nobody, everybody rejected the job, we’re just gonna give it to Rick.’ Y’all slick--- just go ahead and give Rick the job, man, I don’t think nobody is gonna mind.”

If that's true I think we will be in dicey waters with Rick coaching Jalen... who's clutch but needs a coach that will tell him to move the ball and step up his defense. Do we really think Rick will do that and somehow intergrate OG and some of the other non-Nova guys to help our team play more cohesively? I do not.

jskinny35 wrote:Mike Brown seems like the guy you hire when you run out of options... hope that's not where we are at. Low ceiling and upside even though he may be an average coach. Thibs for all his warts was slightly above average IMO.

The hire would not have the starphuchery taint one so craves. WHom would you say would be like “Oh man, that dude is so exciting! LOok out NBA, Knicks are coming!”

When we hired Riley it was “WHat is this showtime gonna do with this team…?” WE had patrick and not much else. Not like the star studded “Showtime” he inherited. He literally took over a Laker team that had won a chip previous but hated its coach.

Seems a dude like Johnny Bryant gives a buzz as its hoped he is the next great mind to evolve and take the game to another level!!!
Mike Brown has had success and a long career that started with great promise.
Jenkins was also that kind of dude but much much younger.

So did Fizdale.


These guys were there and have more seasoning. Kenny Atkinson would have been great? Before taking the helm at Clev, what greatness had he demonstrated prior? Without any Nalodian reasearch He kind of has a similar rep as Mike Brown.
And very well respected. Fired for bad reasons.
Have to consider the context of each to why it happend with those rosters.
All the guys we were rejected for have warts BTW.

Bud excite you? Kidd? Not really, he is arrogant and can be a FO pain in the ass. Thats his history also. Yes he has positive attributes and perhaps if it all went smooth it would like like Leon got what leon wanted.
Now its like fans are disappointed by something thats been not even two weeks, a process we don’t understand, and label it as not professional to mimic some click baiters.

There are many times retread coaches find success later in careers.
Joe Torre is a wild example of success. Fizdale not so.
All time winning dudes with no chip: Sloan, Nelson, Karl, adelman all cold coach and either ran into injuries, better teams, or bad luck. Top ten alltime!
Guys like Lenny Wilkens, Larry Brown, Rivers that have chips also had some bad seasons and heartbreak. These guys are top and have a lot of wins and coached for decades.
A lot of great coaches never had it all come together.
Wright was no t a rejection but a courtesy inquiry.
I have no issue with asking teams permission. Nobody said they were defacto condidates and if anything we ****ed them over if they get extensions. ALso if they get fired inside a year it looks bad as they could have let them walk.
Even Billy Donovan might have been an attractive look at maybe can tell us about what he thinks of players on his roster we might be interested in?

So who is our exciting starphuch choice that would excite the masses and quell that comments knicks are clueless?
Kidd? Really? We cite him owning a home in the hamptons as a reason he a good fit? That he and Brunson are cool? Thats a good reason. Personally I like Kidd for the team. But I have reasons to doubt. Not just gonna lap up the media buzz and pretend otherwise.
I like Bud. Tell me why he failed in PHX? Bad roster? True. Reason for dismissal? Did he mail it in? No rumors to him. So we can’t go gah gah on him either?
Wonderboy Jenkins still that dude? He’ll have to answer to Leon for his dismissal. He so incredible what was the issue?
Sure, mike brown is not one to get excited about but how can any fan with no intimate kmowledge having never met the dude quantify what his ceiling is? He is a CAA client. That has to count? LOL
KNicks have a very talented core and a wealth of FO knowledge. Rosas is in on this and perhaps weighs in. WWW has not been a big fan all the time of Thibs this we know.
I suspect the three all have to sign off on this. WE can all assume team president answers to Dolan but WWW is part of the Leon process and Rosas reports to Leon.

No perfect coach out there

Rookie wrote:I heard that the Knicks have started calling High School teams on the availability of their coaches

High school badminton teams.

jskinny35 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Im hearing Rick Brunson!

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/gilbert-arenas-uncovers-knicks-masterplan-105719531.html

Following Thibodeau's exit, the Knicks reportedly reached out to multiple teams to seek their permission to speak to their incumbent coaches for the potential job in New York. Among these teams were the Mavericks, Rockets, Timberwolves, Hawks, and Bulls.

While the sports media was baffled to see the Knicks shooting in the dark about their future, Gilbert Arenas felt that he could see through the pretension of the Knicks and believed he had uncovered their ulterior motives behind such a shocking move.

“What [the Knicks] are doing is, you’re offering the job to people that already got jobs, knowing what their answer is. So you’re pretending for the world that you’re actually looking for a job, and then you’re going to ‘settle’ for Rick. ‘Aw man! We couldn’t find nobody, everybody rejected the job, we’re just gonna give it to Rick.’ Y’all slick--- just go ahead and give Rick the job, man, I don’t think nobody is gonna mind.”

If that's true I think we will be in dicey waters with Rick coaching Jalen... who's clutch but needs a coach that will tell him to move the ball and step up his defense. Do we really think Rick will do that and somehow intergrate OG and some of the other non-Nova guys to help our team play more cohesively? I do not.

Hiring Rick Brunson as coach would be worse than the Knicks signing JR's brother Chris Smith, to keep him happy.

Im fine with Brunson staying on the staff. But hiring Rick as HC would give his son the green light to ball stop for the rest of his career. Wasnt like he was whispering in Thibs ear to tell JB to stop using up most of the shot clock.