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Nalod
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6/6/2025  11:51 AM
martin wrote:I only caught glimpses of the game and felt the same way.

The O-K-C chant sounded lame to me

So how can the make the "Aura" better?
At the end of the day its a basketball game.
Twitter people are not authority. Nobody likes anyone but Breen and/or tilt to "The good old days".
What was wrong? thousands of midwest white fans in same color tee shirts standing thru the game being happy bothers people? Stand in the front row making every behind you stand is "Support".
I gets its awful, but is it that the arena does not have proper lighting? MSG and staples center used to darken the crowd lighting. Same arenas but not for Clipper games. it felt different!
But how did the finals not "Feel right"? Lakers or Celtics not there?
Or we just feeding dissent because social media likes to click negativity?
What a great game that was on the court!

LOL: "Blames" is the name of poster !!!! No wonder it got me.

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martin
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6/6/2025  12:00 PM
Pretty amazing

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6/6/2025  12:01 PM
Ew1ng5Fan wrote:With all due respect, the alternate thought of a Pacers dinasty, is alive... and it sickens my, otherwise, healthy digestive system,

LivingLegend wrote:I’m rooting for Pacers for a couple of reasons and yes I hate them.

- don;t want to start OKC dynasty
- don’t want to hear Mike/Doris/Richard on their collective knees sucking off SGA and Thunder
- I do think Pacers playing OKC tough does reflect better on Knicks vs a 4-0 OKC sweep would

I did consider that when I typed 1st bullet point.

Thing that stuck out to me last night were Mathurin, Nesmith, Nembhart - 3 young players all defending their ass off while also contributing on offense. If Mathurin makes same maturation steps as Nesmith on the wing that is no good for Knicks. Hell even Obi held up defensively and knocking down 5 blanking 3s. Plus young Walker sitting on bench and I Jackson shot blocking jumping Jack injured right now.

Obi post game comments direct hit against Jalen/Thibs and he’s right. Basically saying it’s easier when everyone shares the ball and you are not standing in a corner watching one guy dribble the ball. OUCH.

Have to say also Hali’s past 1st and quick feet game will age better vs Jalen’s iso heavy slug it out style.

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6/6/2025  12:02 PM
Nalod wrote:
martin wrote:I only caught glimpses of the game and felt the same way.

The O-K-C chant sounded lame to me

So how can the make the "Aura" better?
At the end of the day its a basketball game.
Twitter people are not authority. Nobody likes anyone but Breen and/or tilt to "The good old days".
What was wrong? thousands of midwest white fans in same color tee shirts standing thru the game being happy bothers people? Stand in the front row making every behind you stand is "Support".
I gets its awful, but is it that the arena does not have proper lighting? MSG and staples center used to darken the crowd lighting. Same arenas but not for Clipper games. it felt different!
But how did the finals not "Feel right"? Lakers or Celtics not there?
Or we just feeding dissent because social media likes to click negativity?
What a great game that was on the court!

LOL: "Blames" is the name of poster !!!! No wonder it got me.

You know it when you see it

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6/6/2025  12:04 PM
DLeethal wrote:Pacers are really just such a well balanced team. And they are severely underrated on defense because they play uptempo. Nesmith, Nembhard, Siakam are all really really good defenders and they have an elite shot blocking 5.

Siakam is probably the most underrated player of the last 5-10 years. This team really has no holes at all. Siakam gives them that deadly half court option when the game slows down, and when the game is fast they are as good as anyone. They play 5 out better than anyone not named the Celtics. Really just a tailor made team. Goes to show you how far "fit" can take you.

I suppose the only true hole they have is in the "power" department and they can get beat up on the boards like we did last year. They are small and weak 1-3. I thought we were gonna be able to exploit them with our wings size way more than we were able to do.

OKC took iHart out of the starting lineup to match down to them. I probably would have tried to bully them. The double big lineup was pretty effective for us.

I don’t know on the 1-3 small. Hali is 6’8” and if they go Mathurin at the 2 6’7” and Nesmith at the 3 6’6” they are actually pretty long plus throw in Siakim/Turner.

I think they’ve grown past the finesse phase of development or at least they are progressing into more physical defense & rebounding.

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6/6/2025  12:07 PM
The Pacers actually tilted the floor against OKC and Pacers were more aggressive team offensively in 2nd half.

They looked quite on par with OKC in my view - not overwhelmed by depth, physicality or quickness of OKC.

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6/6/2025  12:08 PM
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6/6/2025  12:16 PM
I'm boycotting these Finals cause I'm still depressed, angry and immature!

But it seems like it's Indiana's year. Every so often there comes a team that isn't the most talented but everything just breaks right for them and this is what is happening with these Hicks. I'm very jealous.

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6/6/2025  12:19 PM
All of these comeback victories are just insane. Pacer fans must be in heaven!

I'm rooting for OKC to make these fans miserable.

Oh good lord... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XkmGrX7O0lQ
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6/6/2025  12:49 PM
martin wrote:
Nalod wrote:
martin wrote:I only caught glimpses of the game and felt the same way.

The O-K-C chant sounded lame to me

So how can the make the "Aura" better?
At the end of the day its a basketball game.
Twitter people are not authority. Nobody likes anyone but Breen and/or tilt to "The good old days".
What was wrong? thousands of midwest white fans in same color tee shirts standing thru the game being happy bothers people? Stand in the front row making every behind you stand is "Support".
I gets its awful, but is it that the arena does not have proper lighting? MSG and staples center used to darken the crowd lighting. Same arenas but not for Clipper games. it felt different!
But how did the finals not "Feel right"? Lakers or Celtics not there?
Or we just feeding dissent because social media likes to click negativity?
What a great game that was on the court!

LOL: "Blames" is the name of poster !!!! No wonder it got me.

You know it when you see it

I did not watch the beginning so there was no Epic open with historical content?
Nice highlight reel. Add Haliburton's game winner if Pacers win the series. Those were epic moments. Perhaps Pacers just added one.

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6/6/2025  1:14 PM
Nalod wrote:
martin wrote:I only caught glimpses of the game and felt the same way.

The O-K-C chant sounded lame to me

So how can the make the "Aura" better?
At the end of the day its a basketball game.
Twitter people are not authority. Nobody likes anyone but Breen and/or tilt to "The good old days".
What was wrong? thousands of midwest white fans in same color tee shirts standing thru the game being happy bothers people? Stand in the front row making every behind you stand is "Support".
I gets its awful, but is it that the arena does not have proper lighting? MSG and staples center used to darken the crowd lighting. Same arenas but not for Clipper games. it felt different!
But how did the finals not "Feel right"? Lakers or Celtics not there?
Or we just feeding dissent because social media likes to click negativity?
What a great game that was on the court!

LOL: "Blames" is the name of poster !!!! No wonder it got me.

He's 100% correct and he's not the only person pointing it out. There is no build up before the game from a production standpoint. No national anthem, no starting lineups or videos, no trophy emblems on the court. They are treating it like a normal playoff game.

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6/7/2025  2:31 AM
martin wrote:Pretty amazing

They just play a No F’s Given when there is still time on the clock because they know the other team will tighten up and just hope time runs out.

They are disruptors. They are talented and they can beat you straight up on a good night, but on many others, they just thread water and stay close enough to finally say: f-it, let’s steal this. Like, REALLY steal it.

It sucks because they played their cards right and we could’ve done the same and still win the series, albeit to the limit. But we were too inconsistent for that.

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6/7/2025  12:24 PM

The pageantry apparently has been gone a while and it time is money, blame the networks for not creating two minutes historically to build tension. It is their production to do as they wish.

So its not just "Silver and the NBA" to blame. Since I really don't see the Finals as a cultural even like the Super Bowl and since I don't actively seek out and set time to watch it as if knicks were in it, I don't really care either way. I buy my league pass and very much use my DVR to condense the experience thus removing hype from games. I pay for the right to not expose myself to advertising.

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6/8/2025  7:39 AM
LivingLegend wrote:I’m rooting for Pacers for a couple of reasons and yes I hate them.

- don;t want to start OKC dynasty
- don’t want to hear Mike/Doris/Richard on their collective knees sucking off SGA and Thunder
- I do think Pacers playing OKC tough does reflect better on Knicks vs a 4-0 OKC sweep would

Agreed about the pacers playing better reflects on the Knicks better. It tells us we were really close. A crazy Haliburton bounce that misses gives us a game 7 which we are the favorites in. I know it means nothing, but we were close enough to think about those hypotheticals. The pacers currently have the nba cheat code it seems, and even okc is switching up their successful-season game plan and not playing their centers much. Pacers have completely flipped the script and forcing great teams to make adjustments to them.

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6/8/2025  10:37 PM
So far, Indiana has proven it can win a nail biter on the road and OKC has proven it can dominate a game that wasn't as close as the final score.
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6/12/2025  7:17 AM
Pacers are f'n good. I thought they would at least go 6 and now I think this series goes 7. How do you beat the.m when they win the turnover battle? Their shooting and transition scoring is so effing good. You have to control the ball and put more pressure on Haliburton. OKC is capable, but too many turnovers last night. While OKC has a better press and defense overall than the Knicks, they also lack a true secondary ballhandler and playmaker.

Carlisle adjustments after a loss is truly incredible

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6/12/2025  9:23 AM
Said in prior thread - last thing we need as Knicks fan is more young Pacers to blossom and last night here comes Mathurin again.

They have somehow hit on numerous young guys in Hali, Mathurin, Nemhart, Nesmith - even Obi looks perfect in that system plus still have I-Jackson and J-Walker sitting in the wings.

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6/12/2025  9:41 AM
Mathurin been getting a superstar whistle in the playoffs. The amount of FT this guy shoots per minute is insane.
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6/12/2025  1:06 PM
LivingLegend wrote:Said in prior thread - last thing we need as Knicks fan is more young Pacers to blossom and last night here comes Mathurin again.

They have somehow hit on numerous young guys in Hali, Mathurin, Nemhart, Nesmith - even Obi looks perfect in that system plus still have I-Jackson and J-Walker sitting in the wings.

You get talent, you develop it and strategically give them chances.

It’s one thing I didn’t like about Thibs: not using his bench strategically while planting the seeds of possible impressive games from guys on the bench. To be fair to him, especially after hearing the Dadiet interview, I think he does a good job in training the basics to youngsters: discipline, defensive awareness, etc. But it is equally important to award good effort with playing time.

I think our bench was more talented than it showed this season and especially in the playoffs. Nobody perfect, so everyone comes with their weaknesses, but the skills they bring is good. Kolek with his amazing court vision and talent distributing the ball, Huk with a solid balance of competent offense and solid defense, Dadiet with a nice stroke, active body and tenacity on defense, the kids had tools to help us. They aren’t fully ready for heavy minutes, of course, but we have seen how important can a good 10-15min stint off the bench be to a team.

OKC and Indiana are prime examples of teams that develop and keep all their players active and engaged, making sure everyone is ready to help off the bench and maybe play more than they think. They are reaping the benefits from that in already being in the Finals.

I think that our next coach has to bring this mentality to the team. The front office needs to make sure we have talent everywhere and so far they have done that. These aren’t the times of not knowing who the 13th-15th guy is. It’s more about knowing that you have weapons that can help you maneuver a given game. We already have a solid starting lineup, especially when correctly aligned. And we have talent on the bench. We just need to better plan our season-long attack to reap good benefits once we get to the playoffs.

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6/12/2025  2:41 PM
Great post - really summarizes my thinking.

Somewhere (either on here, Reddit, or Facebook maybe) I noted that the Knicks miscalculated a bit by carrying 4 development players - rookies - on our roster. Four roster spots were taken up in Kolek, Dadiet, McCullar, and Hukporti. While all of those guys had their moments in the G-League, they were sort just stashes deep in the roster.

I think the key learning for the Knicks and Thibs is that every roster spot counts for winning a championship.

The Pacers play a LOT of combinations - some less optimal than others. But those guys got burn. The team collected a a lot of data (whether through behavior or perceptual!) by plugging in players in real game situations, and got real world feel of how things might work out.

There are lots of benefits to this: scenarios have already been practiced in the real world. The role players in particular feel comfortable in the spotlight. They've gotten used to the discomfort of irregular rotations on D. With the big rotation, players come in with a lot of pep to their step. Less talented, but fully rested players can play at a higher level than a tired but talented line up. They have the energy to make the effort plays - while the tired vets are practically have to will themselves to make their bodies move.

Thibs and the Knicks went down a different path - how we make the most of our top 5, how do we design plays so our stars can be at their best. While this works reasonably well, it lacks flexibility and discounts the benefits of fresh legs, and the energy of young players trying to prove themselves.

I too am having a hard time watching these finals, but I did catch bits of yesterday's game. The Pacers are beating OKC the same way they beat us. This style of going 10+ deep of fresh players is tough to plan for. You can plan to stop Haliburton and Siakim, but it's nearly impossible to plan to disrupt the Pacers offense.

Knicksfan wrote:You get talent, you develop it and strategically give them chances.

It’s one thing I didn’t like about Thibs: not using his bench strategically while planting the seeds of possible impressive games from guys on the bench. To be fair to him, especially after hearing the Dadiet interview, I think he does a good job in training the basics to youngsters: discipline, defensive awareness, etc. But it is equally important to award good effort with playing time.

I think our bench was more talented than it showed this season and especially in the playoffs. Nobody perfect, so everyone comes with their weaknesses, but the skills they bring is good. Kolek with his amazing court vision and talent distributing the ball, Huk with a solid balance of competent offense and solid defense, Dadiet with a nice stroke, active body and tenacity on defense, the kids had tools to help us. They aren’t fully ready for heavy minutes, of course, but we have seen how important can a good 10-15min stint off the bench be to a team.

OKC and Indiana are prime examples of teams that develop and keep all their players active and engaged, making sure everyone is ready to help off the bench and maybe play more than they think. They are reaping the benefits from that in already being in the Finals.

I think that our next coach has to bring this mentality to the team. The front office needs to make sure we have talent everywhere and so far they have done that. These aren’t the times of not knowing who the 13th-15th guy is. It’s more about knowing that you have weapons that can help you maneuver a given game. We already have a solid starting lineup, especially when correctly aligned. And we have talent on the bench. We just need to better plan our season-long attack to reap good benefits once we get to the playoffs.

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