VDesai wrote:

Knixkik wrote:This little slump/ losing streak emphasizes that the Knicks really need a bench piece who can shoot, and thibs will actually play. Burks is an option, but I’m sure other options will pop up.

On that pod, Jeremy Cohen goes through 100+ names in the salary matching slots for combos of Mitch, Precious, Sims, Payne and the best he comes up with is Burks. With the 2nd apron looming and Precious' contract expiring, there just aren't a lot of candidates to acquire that wouldn't bring them over the apron. Given the penalties of being over the apron more than once, the Knicks have to basically decide if they think a move can bring them over the top this year and its worth entering the 2nd apron now or if they should defer it to another cycle.

Knicks don't even need to make that decision, or at least it's already been made. They are hard capped at second apron already. So it's a summer decision.

Instead let's do whatever it takes to move the ball more to get better shots for the bench guys( ehem Kolek ahem)

VDesai wrote:

Knixkik wrote:This little slump/ losing streak emphasizes that the Knicks really need a bench piece who can shoot, and thibs will actually play. Burks is an option, but I’m sure other options will pop up.

On that pod, Jeremy Cohen goes through 100+ names in the salary matching slots for combos of Mitch, Precious, Sims, Payne and the best he comes up with is Burks. With the 2nd apron looming and Precious' contract expiring, there just aren't a lot of candidates to acquire that wouldn't bring them over the apron. Given the penalties of being over the apron more than once, the Knicks have to basically decide if they think a move can bring them over the top this year and its worth entering the 2nd apron now or if they should defer it to another cycle.

Yes I listened to a lot of it. I went thru a similar thing. The best combos I found without getting overly complicated is Mitch plus an asset to Charlotte for Richards and Martin. Or for something really small, Sims to Portland for Camara or Sims to Washington for Champagnie (who is on a 2-way.) it just comes down to what assets would need to be included for any of those. Mitch for Valanciunas and Champagnie is another. Knicks still own that Washington pick. Just thinking that there are some possibilities out there.

Swishfm3 wrote:

franco12 wrote:I think we need a coach who plays guys on the bench.

How did Kolek look ok and get time playing when both McBride and Brunson were out? Yet he can't get time otherwise.

Why do other teams play kids that are 18 or 19 or 20, but somehow, we can't give Dadiet more of a role, despite looking like a decent athlete.

I'd like to see Josh or Mikal start the game on the bench - I think that would help balance things out.

We don't need to start our best 5 guys - we could save one for the bench.

And at some point, Thibs will get these guys hurt - to anyone who says there isn't a correlation, there is:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0749806324000628

Conclusions
SEIs occurred in 15.6% of players in this study, with an overall rate of 1.74 SEIs per 1,000 GEs. The most significant risk factor associated with injury was minutes per game. SEI was more likely to occur in the third and fourth quartiles of the NBA season than in the first or second quartile.

This is the only answer, and it boggles mind that it hasn’t been done that.

Hart is having an amazing season but bringing him off the bench, will not only give the team the mini boost it needs but, if you start Precious, it would also allow OG and Bridges to play the 3 & 2 position.

Why we at it…would it kill Thibs to play Diadet, Huk are even Kolek a few minutes with the starting lineup when the Knicks have a big league? How do you develop talent when they only get a total of 5 min a month of real game experience?

And here is the other thing - you can finish the game with your five best guys, or the five that are playing the best.

I'm now sadly in the fire Thibs. He is like a jockey that wins short races, but doesn't know how to run a longer race because he whips the horse too hard and the horse is spent by the end.

He is not going anywhere. He just got extended.

And I've also accepted that while this is the best Knick squad we have had in forever, we're just not that good- we're not winning any champions ships and we'll probably max out as a round 2 team.

Nalod wrote:If we play the and they don't develop fast enough. We are not good enough.
If we play our guys too many minutes, and we fall short, we are not good enough.
WE are not good enough to contend. Live with it. Last year Randle got hurt, iHart surged and it was great.
This year our starters are as good as any. But our bench is not.
Might want to ask yourselves what does Thibs know about his yoot that we don't.
Calling for his head as if some magic man coach will develop them faster is a nice thought.

I think our bench is fine. Thibs won’t play them because any number of reasons. I’m not looking for him to develop guys, I’m looking for Thibs to lessen the minute load on guys that we need for a play off run. If we can’t win with Kolek getting 5-10 minutes, then we’re not that good.

We saw Hukporti play and he looked decent- better than Sims, yet- zero time when Kat was out.

And here is the thing- we lost going with the starters for big minutes- they’re tired- next up, they will be sidelined with injuries.

ramtour420 wrote:I am not on the "Fire Thibs" wagon yet. I am waiting until the end of the season to give the man a chance to change.
If we keep not playing the bench, keep looking spent in the 4th, keep maximizing the regular season to stumble into the playoffs all banged up- then I'll will turn on him. It happened his whole career so far, it happened last season. I want him to learn and I want him to grow as a coach.

I don’t think you can say it happened last year - guys just got banged up - Julius and OG were freak injuries and Mitchell Robinson is just a little brittle.

If I were the owner/GM, I can’t wait until the end of the season - I view this squad as having a short window to max their performance - they’re all in their 28,29 peak years of performance.

After this year, maybe another year- and then, how do you start to rejuvenate the roster as we end up capped out and no draft picks.

franco12 wrote:

Nalod wrote:If we play the and they don't develop fast enough. We are not good enough.
If we play our guys too many minutes, and we fall short, we are not good enough.
WE are not good enough to contend. Live with it. Last year Randle got hurt, iHart surged and it was great.
This year our starters are as good as any. But our bench is not.
Might want to ask yourselves what does Thibs know about his yoot that we don't.
Calling for his head as if some magic man coach will develop them faster is a nice thought.

I think our bench is fine. Thibs won’t play them because any number of reasons. I’m not looking for him to develop guys, I’m looking for Thibs to lessen the minute load on guys that we need for a play off run. If we can’t win with Kolek getting 5-10 minutes, then we’re not that good.

We saw Hukporti play and he looked decent- better than Sims, yet- zero time when Kat was out.

And here is the thing- we lost going with the starters for big minutes- they’re tired- next up, they will be sidelined with injuries.

What kind of nonsense is this? And why do you think that would be any coach's or FO's or team's prevailing thought or how they operate?

Be frustrated with the minutes thing but as soon as you get whacky, that's pure nonsense.

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Nalod wrote:If we play the and they don't develop fast enough. We are not good enough.
If we play our guys too many minutes, and we fall short, we are not good enough.
WE are not good enough to contend. Live with it. Last year Randle got hurt, iHart surged and it was great.
This year our starters are as good as any. But our bench is not.
Might want to ask yourselves what does Thibs know about his yoot that we don't.
Calling for his head as if some magic man coach will develop them faster is a nice thought.

I think our bench is fine. Thibs won’t play them because any number of reasons. I’m not looking for him to develop guys, I’m looking for Thibs to lessen the minute load on guys that we need for a play off run. If we can’t win with Kolek getting 5-10 minutes, then we’re not that good.

We saw Hukporti play and he looked decent- better than Sims, yet- zero time when Kat was out.

And here is the thing- we lost going with the starters for big minutes- they’re tired- next up, they will be sidelined with injuries.

What kind of nonsense is this? And why do you think that would be any coach's or FO's or team's prevailing thought or how they operate?

Be frustrated with the minutes thing but as soon as you get whacky, that's pure nonsense.

it's not nonsense. What I mean by it is - whether these players develop or not doesn't matter to me- of course, if they do, great.

What I am critically concerned with is the players we have not being driven into the ground and getting injured.

I don't need Kolek to become a better player- because I think he is fine for 5-10 minutes a night to keep Brunson from being over played. If he does, great- that is a seperate issue and I think less important than keeping Brunson fresh and uninjured for the play offs.

I don't see that has nonsense. We're not in develop players mode- we're in win now mode- and regular season wins are only so important.

That's not how any well run organization anywhere runs. Baseball, football, soccer, or the ones we work in. That's how organizations fail or become stale.

Players on other teams are already getting injured or burnt out. The Knicks have been lucky so far? Or perhaps they are doing something different.

Knicks have not played Deuce very much this year and he is the one that is constantly injured this year.

Let us know what you think about the prospects of second round picks and how they develop over 2-5 minutes spans in their rookie year versus what the Knicks have done with their GLeague team and the like over the past years. That's the key differences.

Honest question: Is Denver playing Jokic a lot and driving him into the ground this year? Is that your take? Cause it seems like a lot of the better players in the league fall into that same category.

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Nalod wrote:If we play the and they don't develop fast enough. We are not good enough.
If we play our guys too many minutes, and we fall short, we are not good enough.
WE are not good enough to contend. Live with it. Last year Randle got hurt, iHart surged and it was great.
This year our starters are as good as any. But our bench is not.
Might want to ask yourselves what does Thibs know about his yoot that we don't.
Calling for his head as if some magic man coach will develop them faster is a nice thought.

I think our bench is fine. Thibs won’t play them because any number of reasons. I’m not looking for him to develop guys, I’m looking for Thibs to lessen the minute load on guys that we need for a play off run. If we can’t win with Kolek getting 5-10 minutes, then we’re not that good.

We saw Hukporti play and he looked decent- better than Sims, yet- zero time when Kat was out.

And here is the thing- we lost going with the starters for big minutes- they’re tired- next up, they will be sidelined with injuries.

What kind of nonsense is this? And why do you think that would be any coach's or FO's or team's prevailing thought or how they operate?

Be frustrated with the minutes thing but as soon as you get whacky, that's pure nonsense.

it's not nonsense. What I mean by it is - whether these players develop or not doesn't matter to me- of course, if they do, great.

What I am critically concerned with is the players we have not being driven into the ground and getting injured.

I don't need Kolek to become a better player- because I think he is fine for 5-10 minutes a night to keep Brunson from being over played. If he does, great- that is a seperate issue and I think less important than keeping Brunson fresh and uninjured for the play offs.

I don't see that has nonsense. We're not in develop players mode- we're in win now mode- and regular season wins are only so important.

That's not how any well run organization anywhere runs. Baseball, football, soccer, or the ones we work in. That's how organizations fail or become stale.

Players on other teams are already getting injured or burnt out. The Knicks have been lucky so far? Or perhaps they are doing something different.

Knicks have not played Deuce very much this year and he is the one that is constantly injured this year.

Let us know what you think about the prospects of second round picks and how they develop over 2-5 minutes spans in their rookie year versus what the Knicks have done with their GLeague team and the like over the past years. That's the key differences.

Honest question: Is Denver playing Jokic a lot and driving him into the ground this year? Is that your take? Cause it seems like a lot of the better players in the league fall into that same category.

We’re just going to have to disagree because I see this differently.

Yes- Denver might be taking a risk.

Of course, better players are going to play more minutes. And players will always be happy to play and do whatever is asked. That is why I think coaches need to hold them back, sometimes for their own good, and also sometimes to benefit the organization.