Clean wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Deuce is a keeper. He has become what IQ was but he’s even better, can run the point and he doesn’t disappear come playoff time

I think he can play the PG position but not run a team like a PG. His game is a SG who is too small to be a SG.

With a 6'8.75 wingspan, which shooting guards do you think he will struggle to guard that DDV won't?

Rookie wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Rookie wrote:Knicks committed salary 106,118,760 + 2M if waiving Bogdanovic. 125,151,610 if Bogdanovic is not waived

Projected 2024/25 salary cap 141,000,000

Projection - Buh Bye Bogey. Knicks need to maintain a healthy salary cap

This analysis fails to incorporate cap holds. I think staying below the first apron at $178mm and whether they elect to "hard cap" by using a S&T or an exception is the determination of "healthy", not whether the Knicks have cap space to be players in the FA market. Meaning, managing the spread between 144 and 178. Given the projections to increase the cap dramatically over the next several years, I think pushing salary towards 178mm is the correct economic move.

Good catch. Cap holds

- 24th pick - 2,278,100
- 25th pick - 2,186,700
- 38th pick - ?

Projected cost to retain FA's

-OG Anunoby - 38-40M
-iHart - 17M
-Achiuwa - 2M-5M

No way does Precious sign for only 2-5M

Rookie wrote:Key Upcoming Dates
- Day After Last Game of NBA Finals: Each NBA team begins negotiating with free agents who finished the season on its roster.
- June 26: NBA Draft 2024 First Round
- June 27: NBA Draft 2024 Second Round
- June 30: Each NBA team may begin negotiating with all other upcoming free agents (beginning at 6 p.m. ET).
- July 6: Each NBA team may begin signing free agents to contracts (12:01 p.m. ET).

Teams with the most cap space

1 - Detroit - 64.4M

2 - Philadelphia - 55.5M

3 - Utah 38.1M

4 - Oklahoma City 35.3M

5 - San Antonio 21.3M

6 - Orlando 49.5M

7 - Charlotte 5M

Adjusted the numbers per Spotrac "Practical Cap Space" which they take into account Dead Cap, Holds and projections on Options etc.

EwingsGlass wrote:

Rookie wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Rookie wrote:Knicks committed salary 106,118,760 + 2M if waiving Bogdanovic. 125,151,610 if Bogdanovic is not waived

Projected 2024/25 salary cap 141,000,000

Projection - Buh Bye Bogey. Knicks need to maintain a healthy salary cap

This analysis fails to incorporate cap holds. I think staying below the first apron at $178mm and whether they elect to "hard cap" by using a S&T or an exception is the determination of "healthy", not whether the Knicks have cap space to be players in the FA market. Meaning, managing the spread between 144 and 178. Given the projections to increase the cap dramatically over the next several years, I think pushing salary towards 178mm is the correct economic move.

Good catch. Cap holds

- 24th pick - 2,278,100
- 25th pick - 2,186,700
- 38th pick - ?

Projected cost to retain FA's

-OG Anunoby - 38-40M
-iHart - 17M
-Achiuwa - 2M-5M

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knicks/cap/_/year/2024 This is about as good a summary as exists in the world.

I don't think it's realistic to count a cap hold of 19,930,240 for Alec Burks or 13,138,581 for Achiuwa in calculating cap space. Neither is a cap hit of 19,928,571 for OG Anunoby since he is guaranteed to opt out. I would also think that the end of the bench guys cap hold are not necessary either since none of them would be missed if we needed salary cap room.

Clean wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Clean wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Deuce is a keeper. He has become what IQ was but he’s even better, can run the point and he doesn’t disappear come playoff time

I think he can play the PG position but not run a team like a PG. His game is a SG who is too small to be a SG.

With a 6'8.75 wingspan, which shooting guards do you think he will struggle to guard that DDV won't?

Did we forget him getting scored on even after playing good defense because he was too small? I forgot exactly which player it was because the whole playoffs is melted together but I remember it happening more times than I liked. If OG never got injured and we ended up playing the Celtics who would he have guarded? Brown, Tatum or White? They all would easily shoot over him. I love McBride like most but we have to be honest about things. He has limitations.

If you need someone to run a team he can't do that.

If you need someone to breakdown the defense he can't consistantly do that.

if you need him to defend someone who can't shoot and will constantly drive to the hoop he has trouble with that. He constantly played way to close too TJ in the pacers series. TJ wants to drive 95% of the time. Why are you in his face allowing him to beat you off the dribble every single time? I can understand if TJ beat you while you played him correctly. I love how he gets into guards but not every guard should be guarded like that.

if you need him to guard a big guard they will post him up and shoot over him?

The quicker we realistically realize our players limitations the better we can plan around them to create a well balanced team.

No one was able to guard Tyrese Maxey in that series. No one. Not OG. Not McBride. Not anyone. Maxey played unbelievable basketball. That's not a McBride problem. Maxey was elite.

Is it possible Deuce gets bodied? Maybe. Seems theoretical. Take Booker as an example. He might body McBride, but his 206lbs isn't really pushing McBride's cornerback build 200lbs too far.

Is he "shooting over" McBride's 6'8.75 wingspan? Booker is 6'6 with a 6'8 wingspan. McBride has the longer reach.

I'll accept that Deuce's offense is a little disjointed. He is forcing his shots a bit and rushing a little. I think it is fair to say McBride is limited to guarding the PG/SG slots. I don't think McBride's size is an issue at all at the SG slot since he as a +7 wingspan and a cornerback's build.

EwingsGlass wrote:

Rookie wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Rookie wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Rookie wrote:Knicks committed salary 106,118,760 + 2M if waiving Bogdanovic. 125,151,610 if Bogdanovic is not waived

Projected 2024/25 salary cap 141,000,000

Projection - Buh Bye Bogey. Knicks need to maintain a healthy salary cap

This analysis fails to incorporate cap holds. I think staying below the first apron at $178mm and whether they elect to "hard cap" by using a S&T or an exception is the determination of "healthy", not whether the Knicks have cap space to be players in the FA market. Meaning, managing the spread between 144 and 178. Given the projections to increase the cap dramatically over the next several years, I think pushing salary towards 178mm is the correct economic move.

Good catch. Cap holds

- 24th pick - 2,278,100
- 25th pick - 2,186,700
- 38th pick - ?

Projected cost to retain FA's

-OG Anunoby - 38-40M
-iHart - 17M
-Achiuwa - 2M-5M

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knicks/cap/_/year/2024 This is about as good a summary as exists in the world.

I don't think it's realistic to count a cap hold of 19,930,240 for Alec Burks or 13,138,581 for Achiuwa in calculating cap space. Neither is a cap hit of 19,928,571 for OG Anunoby since he is guaranteed to opt out. I would also think that the end of the bench guys cap hold are not necessary either since none of them would be missed if we needed salary cap room.

They don't. That's in total cap space. If you scroll down to practical cap space they add some common sense decisions to that calculation.

I am wrong. They haven't cut the cap holds in practical.

Rookie wrote:Trade Assets for salary matching

Bogdan Bogdanovic - 19M
Mitchell Robinson - 14.3M
Donte Divencenzo - 11.4M
Miles McBride - 4.7M
Shake Milton - 5M

Ah, now I see the value of Shake Milton.

I am utterly confused by the Shake Milton contract. Knicks picked him off waivers and it wasn't for the $5M 2023-24 contract, right?

So they don't have a team option on him? I can't tell.

martin wrote:

Rookie wrote:Trade Assets for salary matching

Bogdan Bogdanovic - 19M
Mitchell Robinson - 14.3M
Donte Divencenzo - 11.4M
Miles McBride - 4.7M
Shake Milton - 5M

Ah, now I see the value of Shake Milton.

I am utterly confused by the Shake Milton contract. Knicks picked him off waivers and it wasn't for the $5M 2023-24 contract, right?

So they don't have a team option on him? I can't tell.

He was listed as on the team next season for 5M on basketball reference. Maybe it’s not guaranteed? Not listed as having any options

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/NYK.html

Clean wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Clean wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Deuce is a keeper. He has become what IQ was but he’s even better, can run the point and he doesn’t disappear come playoff time

I think he can play the PG position but not run a team like a PG. His game is a SG who is too small to be a SG.

With a 6'8.75 wingspan, which shooting guards do you think he will struggle to guard that DDV won't?

Did we forget him getting scored on even after playing good defense because he was too small? I forgot exactly which player it was because the whole playoffs is melted together but I remember it happening more times than I liked. If OG never got injured and we ended up playing the Celtics who would he have guarded? Brown, Tatum or White? They all would easily shoot over him. I love McBride like most but we have to be honest about things. He has limitations.

If you need someone to run a team he can't do that.

If you need someone to breakdown the defense he can't consistantly do that.

if you need him to defend someone who can't shoot and will constantly drive to the hoop he has trouble with that. He constantly played way to close too TJ in the pacers series. TJ wants to drive 95% of the time. Why are you in his face allowing him to beat you off the dribble every single time? I can understand if TJ beat you while you played him correctly. I love how he gets into guards but not every guard should be guarded like that.

if you need him to guard a big guard they will post him up and shoot over him?

The quicker we realistically realize our players limitations the better we can plan around them to create a well balanced team.

Guys make contested shots. Every time someone makes a contested shot when guarded by Deuce you can't say look he's too short. Deuce got roasted by TJ and I agree with what you are saying there. I also think in general he does a good job guarding bigger players. I would have no issue with him guarding Dereck White. I think he'd probably do a better job in that match-up then anyone on the Knicks.

EwingsGlass wrote:

Clean wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Clean wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Deuce is a keeper. He has become what IQ was but he’s even better, can run the point and he doesn’t disappear come playoff time

I think he can play the PG position but not run a team like a PG. His game is a SG who is too small to be a SG.

With a 6'8.75 wingspan, which shooting guards do you think he will struggle to guard that DDV won't?

Did we forget him getting scored on even after playing good defense because he was too small? I forgot exactly which player it was because the whole playoffs is melted together but I remember it happening more times than I liked. If OG never got injured and we ended up playing the Celtics who would he have guarded? Brown, Tatum or White? They all would easily shoot over him. I love McBride like most but we have to be honest about things. He has limitations.

If you need someone to run a team he can't do that.

If you need someone to breakdown the defense he can't consistantly do that.

if you need him to defend someone who can't shoot and will constantly drive to the hoop he has trouble with that. He constantly played way to close too TJ in the pacers series. TJ wants to drive 95% of the time. Why are you in his face allowing him to beat you off the dribble every single time? I can understand if TJ beat you while you played him correctly. I love how he gets into guards but not every guard should be guarded like that.

if you need him to guard a big guard they will post him up and shoot over him?

The quicker we realistically realize our players limitations the better we can plan around them to create a well balanced team.

No one was able to guard Tyrese Maxey in that series. No one. Not OG. Not McBride. Not anyone. Maxey played unbelievable basketball. That's not a McBride problem. Maxey was elite.

Is it possible Deuce gets bodied? Maybe. Seems theoretical. Take Booker as an example. He might body McBride, but his 206lbs isn't really pushing McBride's cornerback build 200lbs too far.

Is he "shooting over" McBride's 6'8.75 wingspan? Booker is 6'6 with a 6'8 wingspan. McBride has the longer reach.

I'll accept that Deuce's offense is a little disjointed. He is forcing his shots a bit and rushing a little. I think it is fair to say McBride is limited to guarding the PG/SG slots. I don't think McBride's size is an issue at all at the SG slot since he as a +7 wingspan and a cornerback's build.

I’m a Deuce guy but he got lit up by everyone defensively in playoffs.

It wasn’t just Maxey - he also got used by Hali and destroyed by career 7 ppg scorer TJ McConnell.

If Deuce didn’t have the 1 big 27? Point game there may be some folks looking at him way more negatively.

The worst part in my view was that it wasn’t like Deuce was in guys shorts and they were making tough buckets —- he was getting blown by and losing these guys completely with no senses of a game plan.

Up to these playoffs I had extreme regard for Deuce defensively BUT right now my confidence in him as a playoff lock down player is shaken.

Young Assets
- Deuce McBride
- Rokas Jokubaitus
- Jacob Toppin (developmental project)
- P Dadiet
- Tyler Kolek
- K McCullar
- A Hukporti

Old Assets
- Bojan Bogdanovic (June 26th team option date) Traded for Mikel Bridges

Draft Picks
- 24 Traded to Washington
- 25 Drafted Pacome Dadiet
- 34 from Portland to NY Tyler Kolek
- 38 Traded to OKC
- 40 From Portland to NY to Phoenix
- 56 From Phoenix to NY Kevin McCullar Jr
- 58 From Dallas to NY Ariel Hukporti

Team priorities
- Re sign OG Anunoby DONE
- Re sign Isiah Hartenstein GONE

Loose Ends
- Jalen Brunson extension eligible this offseason DONE
- Julius Randle extension eligible Aug 3rd PENDIND 4 years 181.5M eligible
- Alec Burks - Seems ripe for a vet min contract but but does he want guaranteed playing time) GONE
- Precious Achiuwa DONE

Trade Exceptions
- 3 (Toppin, Barrett & Flynn)

Free Agent Additions
- Keita Bates Diop
- Cameron Payne
- Chuma Okeke

Future Draft Picks
2025 first round draft pick from Detroit
Detroit's 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-13 in 2025, 1-11 in 2026 and 1-9 in 2027; if Detroit has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2027, then Detroit will instead convey its 2027 2nd round pick to New York (via Houston to Oklahoma City) [Detroit-Houston, 11/24/2020; Houston-Oklahoma City, 7/30/2021; New York-Oklahoma City, 6/23/2022]

2025 first round draft pick from Washington
Washington's 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-10 in 2025 and 1-8 in 2026; if Washington has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2026, then Washington will instead convey its 2026 2nd round pick and 2027 2nd round pick to New York (via Houston to Oklahoma City) [Houston-Washington, 12/2/2020; Houston-Oklahoma City, 7/30/2021; New York-Oklahoma City, 6/23/2022]

2025 second round draft pick from Detroit
Detroit's 2025 2nd round pick to New York protected for selections 31-55 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Detroit's obligation to New York will be extinguished) [Detroit-New York, 7/11/2022]

2025 second round draft pick from Boston or Memphis (more favorable)
New York will receive the more favorable of Boston's 2025 2nd round pick and Memphis' 2025 2nd round pick and Orlando will receive the less favorable of the two (via Memphis to Boston to Oklahoma City to New York; via Boston to Orlando) [Boston-Memphis-Portland, 11/20/2020; Boston-Orlando, 3/25/2021; Boston-Oklahoma City, 6/18/2021; New York-Oklahoma City, 6/27/2024]

2026 second round draft pick from Detroit, Milwaukee or Orlando (least favorable)
Orlando will receive the two most favorable of its 2026 2nd round pick, Detroit's 2026 2nd round pick and Milwaukee's 2026 2nd round pick and New York will receive the least favorable of the three (via Detroit to L.A. Clippers to Orlando; via Orlando to Phoenix to Brooklyn to New York) [Milwaukee-Orlando, 11/18/2020; Brooklyn-Detroit-L.A. Clippers, 11/19/2020; L.A. Clippers-Orlando, 7/29/2021; Orlando-Phoenix, 7/17/2023; Brooklyn-Memphis-Phoenix, 2/8/2024; Brooklyn-New York, 7/6/2024]

2026 second round draft pick from Golden State
Golden State's 2026 2nd round pick to New York (via Atlanta to Oklahoma City) [Atlanta-Golden State, 7/8/2019; Atlanta-Oklahoma City, 7/12/2023; New York-Oklahoma City, 6/27/2024]

2027 second round draft picks from Oklahoma City, Houston, Indiana and / or Miami (second and third most favorable)
Oklahoma City will receive the most favorable of its 2027 2nd round pick, Houston's 2027 2nd round pick, Indiana's 2027 2nd round pick and Miami's 2027 2nd round pick and New York will receive the second most favorable and the third most favorable of the four; San Antonio will receive the more favorable of (i) its 2027 2nd round pick and (ii) the least favorable of the Oklahoma City pick, the Houston pick, the Indiana pick and the Miami pick and Miami will receive the less favorable of (i) and (ii) (via Houston to Detroit to Oklahoma City to New York; via Miami to Oklahoma City to Utah to San Antonio to Miami) [Detroit-Houston, 11/24/2020; Detroit-Oklahoma City, 3/13/2021; Indiana-Oklahoma City, 11/25/2020; Miami-Oklahoma City, 3/17/2021; Oklahoma City-Utah, 7/30/2021; Portland-San Antonio-Utah, 2/9/2022; Cleveland-Miami-San Antonio, 7/6/2023; New York-Oklahoma City, 6/27/2024]

2028 second round draft pick from Boston
Boston's 2028 2nd round pick to New York protected for selections 31-45 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Boston's obligation to New York will be extinguished) (via Orlando to Phoenix) [Boston-Orlando, 2/10/2022; Orlando-Phoenix, 7/17/2023; New York-Phoenix, 6/27/2024]

2028 second round draft pick from Indiana or Phoenix (less favorable)
Indiana will receive the more favorable of its 2028 2nd round pick and Phoenix's 2028 2nd round pick and New York will receive the less favorable of the two (via Indiana) [Indiana-Phoenix-Washington, 6/23/2023; Indiana-New York, 7/7/2023]

Outgoing
2025 first round draft pick to Brooklyn
New York's 2025 1st round pick to Brooklyn [Brooklyn-New York, 7/6/2024]

2025 second round draft pick forfeited
New York has forfeited its 2025 2nd round pick [NBA ruling, 12/21/2022]

2026 second round draft pick to Boston or Washington (effectively a swap, Minnesota incoming)
Boston will receive the most favorable of Minnesota's 2026 2nd round pick, New York's 2026 2nd round pick, New Orleans' 2026 2nd round pick and Portland's 2026 2nd round pick; New York will receive the less favorable of its pick and the Minnesota pick; San Antonio will receive the less favorable of the New Orleans pick and the Portland pick; Washington will receive the less favorable of (i) the more favorable of the Minnesota pick and the New York pick and (ii) the more favorable of the New Orleans pick and the Portland pick (via Minnesota to New York; via New Orleans to Portland to New Orleans; via Portland to Detroit; via New Orleans to San Antonio; via Detroit to Boston; via Detroit to Washington) [Minnesota-New York, 11/24/2020; New Orleans-Portland, 7/30/2021; New Orleans-Portland, 2/8/2022; Detroit-Portland, 7/6/2022; Detroit-New York, 7/11/2022; New Orleans-San Antonio, 2/9/2023; Boston-Detroit, 6/28/2023; Detroit-Washington, 1/14/2024]

2027 first round draft pick to Brooklyn
New York's 2027 1st round pick to Brooklyn [Brooklyn-New York, 7/6/2024]

2028 first round draft pick to Brooklyn (Brooklyn or Phoenix incoming)
If (i) Philadelphia's 2028 1st round pick, which would be protected for selections 1-8 and otherwise conveyable to Brooklyn if Philadelphia does not convey a 1st round pick to Brooklyn in 2027 and if Philadelphia has conveyed a 1st round pick to Oklahoma City by 2026, is conveyed to Brooklyn and is the third most favorable of Philadelphia, Brooklyn's 2028 1st round pick, Phoenix's 2028 1st round pick and New York's 2028 1st round pick and (ii) New York is the most or second most favorable of the four, then Brooklyn will receive the most and third most favorable of the four; in all other scenarios, Brooklyn will receive the two most favorable of these; if Philadelphia if conveyed and / or New York is less favorable than Brooklyn and Phoenix, then New York will receive the least favorable of New York, Brooklyn and Phoenix; in all other scenarios, New York will receive the second most favorable of the three; Washington will receive the more favorable of (i) its 2028 1st round pick and (ii) the least / less favorable of Phoenix, Brooklyn and Philadelphia if conveyed and Phoenix will receive the less favorable of (i) and (ii) (via Brooklyn's right to swap Brooklyn or Philadelphia for Phoenix; via Brooklyn's right to swap Brooklyn or Phoenix for New York; via Washington's right to swap for Phoenix, Brooklyn or Philadelphia) [Brooklyn-Philadelphia, 2/10/2022; Brooklyn-Indiana-Milwaukee-Phoenix, 2/9/2023; Indiana-Phoenix-Washington, 6/23/2023; Brooklyn-New York, 7/6/2024]

2028 second round draft pick to Detroit
New York's 2028 2nd round pick to Detroit [Detroit-New York, 2/8/2024]

2029 first round draft pick to Brooklyn
New York's 2029 1st round pick to Brooklyn [Brooklyn-New York, 7/6/2024]

2029 second round draft pick to Detroit
New York's 2029 2nd round pick to Detroit [Detroit-New York, 2/8/2024]

2030 second round draft pick to Portland
New York's 2030 2nd round pick to Portland [New York-Portland, 6/27/2024]

2031 first round draft pick to Brooklyn
New York's 2031 1st round pick to Brooklyn [Brooklyn-New York, 7/6/2024]