martin wrote:How about Jordan Clarkson type?

Yeah, dealing with Ainge should be fun.

Knixkik wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:If Grimes can play like he did last year, then DDV can be an excellent 6 the man. If that works out we can trade Evans contract for a good center. Just would you trade for a center and then next season trade one of our three centers or let Heart leave, perhaps after a sign and trade. You could trade for Capella, Vucevic, Robert Williams from Portland for example. Then you could even keep that new player and Heart and trade Mitch. Just throwing out options
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DDV isn’t creating offense. He’s best used as a spot up shooter. Now if the Knicks add someone like Murray or Mitchell they can just stagger more and you can live with DDV and Hart off the bench.

I've been arguing in favor of getting Murray and using DDV in a primary three guard lineup with Brunson. I'd rather start Murray with Brunson cause those are the two better players and use DDV off the bench. But I see your point and don't disagree. Main point is make that type of trade now Leon and front office have periods where they think well and periods where they think bad. A few years ago they signed Evan, Kemba, and kept Noel and Burke's, and that was bad. This off-season they got Devo and took a while and finally moved to improve the roster design by getting OG, so while they are doing well, let them strike and finish the process before they shut down their good idea period. The front office runs hot and cold. Let them do some good before they talk themselves out of it.Front office is not terrible but they do have their good and bad periods, let's strike while their logic is working well. Doesn't have to be Murray but while the front office has its mojo let the do a deal.

we just cleared the logjam and some want to create it again? I mean for someone like DJ I could understand, but for older, expensive, injury prone players?

Let Grimes play this season out, we aren't winning it all this year anyway.

Re-evaluate at seasons end, and if anything maybe bring Rokas over, or draft someone.

nycericanguy wrote:hard pass on Brogdon and Clarkson.

we just cleared the logjam and some want to create it again? I mean for someone like DJ I could understand, but for older, expensive, injury prone players?

Let Grimes play this season out, we aren't winning it all this year anyway.

Re-evaluate at seasons end, and if anything maybe bring Rokas over, or draft someone.

I agree maybe Brogdon ain't the guy, but it all depends on the deal. But I disagree this is the time to be complacent. We sat on our hands when KP was available, you have said one time or two right 😂. So it's time for the Knicks to seize the day and get better right now. We have the options, waiting for a deal that is perfect beyond measure can be a mistake. Other teams out there are going to act if we don't. The league ain't waiting around for us on our time.

nycericanguy wrote:hard pass on Brogdon and Clarkson.

we just cleared the logjam and some want to create it again? I mean for someone like DJ I could understand, but for older, expensive, injury prone players?

Let Grimes play this season out, we aren't winning it all this year anyway.

Re-evaluate at seasons end, and if anything maybe bring Rokas over, or draft someone.

Don't think in terms of what is left on just this season or minutes crunch. It's more about what the Knicks FO will do to move Fournier to make use of that asset.

Clarkson on a very nice contract for 2 more years. Malcolm is movable again. Knicks need a ball handler/PG type off bench, I wouldn't get caught up in minutes.

martin wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:hard pass on Brogdon and Clarkson.

we just cleared the logjam and some want to create it again? I mean for someone like DJ I could understand, but for older, expensive, injury prone players?

Let Grimes play this season out, we aren't winning it all this year anyway.

Re-evaluate at seasons end, and if anything maybe bring Rokas over, or draft someone.

Don't think in terms of what is left on just this season or minutes crunch. It's more about what the Knicks FO will do to move Fournier to make use of that asset.

Clarkson on a very nice contract for 2 more years. Malcolm is movable again. Knicks need a ball handler/PG type off bench, I wouldn't get caught up in minutes.

DDV, hart, Miles and Flynn can all handle the ball. and we have Rokas waiting in the wings.

Clarkson is an inefficient high volume non shooter who doesn't defend. Playing him over Grimes doesn't make us better.

nycericanguy wrote:

martin wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:hard pass on Brogdon and Clarkson.

we just cleared the logjam and some want to create it again? I mean for someone like DJ I could understand, but for older, expensive, injury prone players?

Let Grimes play this season out, we aren't winning it all this year anyway.

Re-evaluate at seasons end, and if anything maybe bring Rokas over, or draft someone.

Don't think in terms of what is left on just this season or minutes crunch. It's more about what the Knicks FO will do to move Fournier to make use of that asset.

Clarkson on a very nice contract for 2 more years. Malcolm is movable again. Knicks need a ball handler/PG type off bench, I wouldn't get caught up in minutes.

DDV, hart, Miles and Flynn can all handle the ball. and we have Rokas waiting in the wings.

Clarkson is an inefficient high volume non shooter who doesn't defend. Playing him over Grimes doesn't make us better.

Not at playoff level they can't.

Plus you miss my point entirely.

Alpha1971 wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:Hart is fine as a 6th man for now.

I do think Grimes is very important to this team, in an ideal world he can score enough to start, play 30mpg and improve our defense even more and allow DDV to play with the 2nd unit.

DDV
Hart
Ihart

are 3 HIGH END bench players. maybe next season we can bring Rokas over.

Hart is fine as 6 man.... What like he was good for back up 4. Man o man, still drunk from last night 😂😂 man o man, No !

Yup he was more than fine at backup PF as well, we only ran into troubles when Mitch got hurt and Grimes got benched.

Must have had one hell of a night. Black coffee and sleep it off. If Mitch was still on the team, team would still be way better with Hart playing against players his size. Size matters in sex and basketball my friend the NBA is not FIFA. Size ans skill and versatility is essential. Hart has not had the impact that he had last season because he was stretched out of his role. Just because he can rebound doesn't mean he should be a PF and just because he can score and push the ball that he is a 6 man. Hart is essential but optimize his production by keeping him in his appropriate niche

Agreed. We more so should be leaning toward obtaining a forward(3/4) & big(4/5) who can space the floor. As these are elements that we lack. Pushing Harts mins toward 2/3.

martin wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

martin wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

martin wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:hard pass on Brogdon and Clarkson.

we just cleared the logjam and some want to create it again? I mean for someone like DJ I could understand, but for older, expensive, injury prone players?

Let Grimes play this season out, we aren't winning it all this year anyway.

Re-evaluate at seasons end, and if anything maybe bring Rokas over, or draft someone.

Don't think in terms of what is left on just this season or minutes crunch. It's more about what the Knicks FO will do to move Fournier to make use of that asset.

Clarkson on a very nice contract for 2 more years. Malcolm is movable again. Knicks need a ball handler/PG type off bench, I wouldn't get caught up in minutes.

DDV, hart, Miles and Flynn can all handle the ball. and we have Rokas waiting in the wings.

Clarkson is an inefficient high volume non shooter who doesn't defend. Playing him over Grimes doesn't make us better.

Not at playoff level they can't.

Plus you miss my point entirely.

i get your point but we SHOULD get caught up in minutes b/c that was a big reason for that two for 1 trade.

If we're not going to develop Grimes might as well trade him for DJ then.

But to bench him for an old inefficient player like Clarkson?

I'm not talking about benching or talking away minutes from Grimes at all.

Bringing in Brogdon or Clarkson absolutely does that though whether directly or indirectly.

Or else you're cutting DDV, the minutes gotta come from somewhere unless they are coming here to take a 7-10mpg role that Miles has.

I think DDV and Grimes getting more minutes and cohesion is a big reason for the OG trade and I don't see us in a rush to squash that unless it's for a legit star player.

lets be real IQ under playoff pressure wasn't a good ballhandler either.

but the FO knows we would need another guy like that and thats why we got Flynn for insurance he can at least do that.