They built it with edwards, but RUDY is NOW as is KAT. Same for Conley. Edwards and Daniels are the future but they are needed now.
I like what they are doing and my guess is they need a full year with a healthy KAT and see where it goes before deciding.
If Phila can’t get anything for Harden and they step backwards I’d think it would be mutually beneficial for both the team and Joel to want a deal.

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gradyandrew wrote:KAT and Randle are good buddies who are outside a lot of the other cliques in the NBA. It's always been my feeling that the idea would be to pair Randle and KAT together.

Minnesota's future lies with Anthony Edwards so it makes sense to trade KAT for guys on his timeline. RJ Hartenstein and IQ get the Knicks to KAT's salary. Conley's contract expires next year, so Wolves could give him Conley's money.

Randle can match up with a lot of forwards on D, like Jimmy Butler and Tatum. Knicks would have to toss on a bunch of picks but a crunch time line up of Brunson Hart Randle KAT with Robinson or Grimes depending on the matchup would be a potential championship squad.

Knicks have a strong philosophy of defense down the middle starting at center. You think the Knicks think Randle/KAT pairing will fulfill that?

I think they could play some big lineups with Randle KAT and Robinson. Since KAT and Randle both shoot 3's you wouldn't have huge spacing issues on offense. The biggest problem is with Robinson's erratic free throw shooting it can be a problem in end game situations. I think one of the reasons he taps it out so much is he doesn't want to get fouled with the ball in his hand.

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gradyandrew wrote:

martin wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:KAT and Randle are good buddies who are outside a lot of the other cliques in the NBA. It's always been my feeling that the idea would be to pair Randle and KAT together.

Minnesota's future lies with Anthony Edwards so it makes sense to trade KAT for guys on his timeline. RJ Hartenstein and IQ get the Knicks to KAT's salary. Conley's contract expires next year, so Wolves could give him Conley's money.

Randle can match up with a lot of forwards on D, like Jimmy Butler and Tatum. Knicks would have to toss on a bunch of picks but a crunch time line up of Brunson Hart Randle KAT with Robinson or Grimes depending on the matchup would be a potential championship squad.

Knicks have a strong philosophy of defense down the middle starting at center. You think the Knicks think Randle/KAT pairing will fulfill that?

I think they could play some big lineups with Randle KAT and Robinson. Since KAT and Randle both shoot 3's you wouldn't have huge spacing issues on offense. The biggest problem is with Robinson's erratic free throw shooting it can be a problem in end game situations. I think one of the reasons he taps it out so much is he doesn't want to get fouled with the ball in his hand.

I don’t anyone in Knicks FO think Randle KAT Mitch is a good fit.

Maybe bring Robinson off the bench?

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martin wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:

martin wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:KAT and Randle are good buddies who are outside a lot of the other cliques in the NBA. It's always been my feeling that the idea would be to pair Randle and KAT together.

Minnesota's future lies with Anthony Edwards so it makes sense to trade KAT for guys on his timeline. RJ Hartenstein and IQ get the Knicks to KAT's salary. Conley's contract expires next year, so Wolves could give him Conley's money.

Randle can match up with a lot of forwards on D, like Jimmy Butler and Tatum. Knicks would have to toss on a bunch of picks but a crunch time line up of Brunson Hart Randle KAT with Robinson or Grimes depending on the matchup would be a potential championship squad.

Knicks have a strong philosophy of defense down the middle starting at center. You think the Knicks think Randle/KAT pairing will fulfill that?

I think they could play some big lineups with Randle KAT and Robinson. Since KAT and Randle both shoot 3's you wouldn't have huge spacing issues on offense. The biggest problem is with Robinson's erratic free throw shooting it can be a problem in end game situations. I think one of the reasons he taps it out so much is he doesn't want to get fouled with the ball in his hand.

I don’t anyone in Knicks FO think Randle KAT Mitch is a good fit.

Maybe bring Robinson off the bench?

Again, how does that fit their defensive philosophy. I don’t think anyone has Randle and KAT as their defensive back line.

Roster building at this juncture is not a crapshoot or maybe situation. It’s a philosophy and plan.

Jules has done a lot of good things for us but still feel he tightens up in key moments.

gradyandrew wrote:Bagley reports today that Knicks were talking with Portland about trading Robinson for multiple picks. My main point is that a Knicks trade for KAT would be adding him to Randle and Brunson. The attraction of playing with Randle is one of the big draws for KAT.

I dont think that's a good interpretation of what Bagley is stating. Could you point us to the article you are getting your info from cause I have not seen that.

Also, KAT is under contract, there is no need to draw him or attract him to Randle. If you want KAT on team, you just trade whatever for him if that makes sense for the team.

And a combo of Randle and KAT doesn't make sense to me at least.

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Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://www.twitter.com/IanBegley/status/1713912297431724099

The gist of the article is 1) Robinson's name came up in talks with Port land for Holiday and 2) Robinson would likely be included in any talks for Towns or Embiid.

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BigDaddyG wrote:

martin wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://www.twitter.com/IanBegley/status/1713912297431724099

The gist of the article is 1) Robinson's name came up in talks with Port land for Holiday and 2) Robinson would likely be included in any talks for Towns or Embiid.

Right, but you left out the lead of the article: How important Mitch is to the entire team, both on offense and defense. That's the underlying important part IMHO.

If you ask a Knick player or coach about Mitchell Robinson, you usually hear some variation of the same answer. They talk about his importance to the team and his nuanced impact on the game.

“The things that he brings to our team oftentimes you’re not going to measure in a boxscore,” Tom Thibodeau said during training camp. “Where he has great value is rim protection, he’s top five in the league; offensive rebounding, top five in the league; total rebounding, top five in the league; terrific pick and roll defender; great pressure on the rim; getting out of screens.

“And when you have somebody that gets out of screens like that, he’s bringing bodies with him which is opening up the floor for us. So it’s forcing the defense to collapse and I think when you really study it, I think four years ago he had a negative net rating and last year you look at his net rating and it’s over five. So it’s almost a 10-point improvement per 48 minutes, that’s significant.”

Robinson’s significance for this year’s Knicks team can’t be overstated, and he seems primed to have another high-impact year.

martin wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

martin wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://www.twitter.com/IanBegley/status/1713912297431724099

The gist of the article is 1) Robinson's name came up in talks with Port land for Holiday and 2) Robinson would likely be included in any talks for Towns or Embiid.

Right, but you left out the lead of the article: How important Mitch is to the entire team, both on offense and defense. That's the underlying important part IMHO.

If you ask a Knick player or coach about Mitchell Robinson, you usually hear some variation of the same answer. They talk about his importance to the team and his nuanced impact on the game.

“The things that he brings to our team oftentimes you’re not going to measure in a boxscore,” Tom Thibodeau said during training camp. “Where he has great value is rim protection, he’s top five in the league; offensive rebounding, top five in the league; total rebounding, top five in the league; terrific pick and roll defender; great pressure on the rim; getting out of screens.

“And when you have somebody that gets out of screens like that, he’s bringing bodies with him which is opening up the floor for us. So it’s forcing the defense to collapse and I think when you really study it, I think four years ago he had a negative net rating and last year you look at his net rating and it’s over five. So it’s almost a 10-point improvement per 48 minutes, that’s significant.”

Robinson’s significance for this year’s Knicks team can’t be overstated, and he seems primed to have another high-impact year.

LOL, on a team with low percentage shooters, you need a guy who can clean up the Offensive glass. Mitch is invaluable to this tea and that can't be overstated

And a big no to KAT. He is not an upgrade over Randle.

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KnickDanger wrote:There will always be an itch for the big move, nothing you can do about that. I really feel now is not the time. Seeing if the current group can grow and make a step or two seems a lot more prudent than throwing the dice on a KAT, Mitchell, Emblid, etc. I get there is no fun in that.

How about this take?

I feel like the Knicks need 1 big wing and/or 1 more player who is on Brunson's level (or where we think he will end up).

Maybe those 2 players come from the roster and just wildly develop (RJ, Grimes, IQ, or someone else) or maybe you trade for someone when they become available.

Donovan Michell, Jrue Holiday just wasn't right roster wise or trading assets for but maybe Embiid type would be if he came up at the right price.