Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:My concern is about Obi's replacement. Randle looks like he will be returning in great shape. But with most serious ankle injuries, you still might be able to do the things you did on a court. But you cant do it as much.

We cant expect a near 30 year old star, with mutliple serious ankle injuries. To be counted on like he is still 20. Will be disappointed if Randle is relied on as much this season. Might help Jules in the 4th quarter, to find a replacment for Obi,who will get more minutes than he did.

Amazing what one can derive from a 30 second video clip.
Roby might be just fine to contribute 10-15 min and if need be can go big with a Front of iHart and Sims, or small with RJ or Josh too.

WTF are you talking about? I never mentioned Roby once. It was about whoever Thibs decides on. I dont believe the rotation is set.

30 second video of Randle being ok.
"Worried about OBI's replacement". IM suggesting Roby might be fine for the role.
Relax...........

My daughters in laws uncle has an indoor court just like the one Randle is shown in. My guess its in his house.
His son will be a killer if he has his dad's size. I think they spend the off season in Texas.

"Nalod says Relax"

Randle looks to be in good shape but the long term effects of two serious ankle injuries are another matter. Why its important to have a backup that Thibs trusts enough to give him the minutes.

The posters above got it. But you bring up a player I didnt mention (or was thinking of) and tell me to "relax". You relax Nalod.

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:My concern is about Obi's replacement. Randle looks like he will be returning in great shape. But with most serious ankle injuries, you still might be able to do the things you did on a court. But you cant do it as much.

We cant expect a near 30 year old star, with mutliple serious ankle injuries. To be counted on like he is still 20. Will be disappointed if Randle is relied on as much this season. Might help Jules in the 4th quarter, to find a replacment for Obi,who will get more minutes than he did.

Amazing what one can derive from a 30 second video clip.
Roby might be just fine to contribute 10-15 min and if need be can go big with a Front of iHart and Sims, or small with RJ or Josh too.

WTF are you talking about? I never mentioned Roby once. It was about whoever Thibs decides on. I dont believe the rotation is set.

30 second video of Randle being ok.
"Worried about OBI's replacement". IM suggesting Roby might be fine for the role.
Relax...........

My daughters in laws uncle has an indoor court just like the one Randle is shown in. My guess its in his house.
His son will be a killer if he has his dad's size. I think they spend the off season in Texas.

"Nalod says Relax"

Randle looks to be in good shape but the long term effects of two serious ankle injuries are another matter. Why its important to have a backup that Thibs trusts enough to give him the minutes.

The posters above got it. But you bring up a player I didnt mention (or was thinking of) and tell me to "relax". You relax Nalod.

Im very chill.
Im not worried about Obi's replacement. They got camp, and time to figure it out.
Im also not surmizing from a clip of Randle hoisting up jumpers in his home game and labeling "he is in good shape", then worrying about his durability after "major injuries" without looking at his medical chart. He has had two sprained ankles and the last one from what I recall they "cleaned it up". This after coming back too soon?
Logic says as a player gets older he should cut back a bit. I think he did a bit last year.
At 28, he is right in his prime.
While prideful, I expect him to consider his health and should be fine with his long term deal kicking in. He won't make all NBA likely as they are moving from positional to just the best 15 players regardless. He slotted in nice because he is a power forward.
I dig the guy but he is not a top 15 player.

This knick era of continuity makes me a fan of our guys that have been here a while. I get Grimes,Randle, RJ, IQ and even Mitch are good trade values should a star shake lose. We are in good shape as a franchise. not elite, but on the road to something good we hope.

Alpha1971 wrote:Franky Says Relax. Relax don't do it... What you didn't like that song or have the t shirt ???

"Welcome to the Pleasure Dome" might not have aged well but it was a great album for the day.

Yes!!!
The Clash album "Sandinista" a classic!
English Beat to General Public
The Jam! (not ska but they got us up and moving!!)
The Specials!!! Great band!! RIP recently departed Terry Hall.

Alpha1971 wrote:The Clash.... Depeche Mode, Genesis, and American Bands like the Talking Heads and the Ramones. I was too young at the time to go see bands at CBGBs and by the time I was it was over. I'm from the Bronx and in the early 80s music was all around for free from Hip Hop, Punk, Reggae and Latin Music. Great stuff all around for free or cheap but I was too young to partake in clubs. By the time I was 21 in 1992 the music scene in NYC was no longer cheap or interesting. In the 80s Billy Idol was a regular at a store/ Deli my then brother in law managed as well as other musicians downtown. I just assumed the scene would be available when I was in College. Bronx had so many bands and performance spaces back in the day, even Irish Bands would perform on Bainbridge Ave clubs around 205st and up to 233 st. You could see the Chieftains, and top Latin and Reggae bands in the same night. I heard from older friends who did so. But I was too young

Do kids today feel the same way about the music they listen to or do they also realize it kind of sucks?

gradyandrew wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:The Clash.... Depeche Mode, Genesis, and American Bands like the Talking Heads and the Ramones. I was too young at the time to go see bands at CBGBs and by the time I was it was over. I'm from the Bronx and in the early 80s music was all around for free from Hip Hop, Punk, Reggae and Latin Music. Great stuff all around for free or cheap but I was too young to partake in clubs. By the time I was 21 in 1992 the music scene in NYC was no longer cheap or interesting. In the 80s Billy Idol was a regular at a store/ Deli my then brother in law managed as well as other musicians downtown. I just assumed the scene would be available when I was in College. Bronx had so many bands and performance spaces back in the day, even Irish Bands would perform on Bainbridge Ave clubs around 205st and up to 233 st. You could see the Chieftains, and top Latin and Reggae bands in the same night. I heard from older friends who did so. But I was too young

Do kids today feel the same way about the music they listen to or do they also realize it kind of sucks?

I’ve had this discussion with my son who’s now 18. And he agrees or laughs like he agrees. I told him these mumble rap dudes sound like they are mentally retarded rapping over a nice beat. He said he only listens to the beat. I said I know because the lyrics are trash. Mumble rap.

Alpha1971 wrote:The Clash.... Depeche Mode, Genesis, and American Bands like the Talking Heads and the Ramones. I was too young at the time to go see bands at CBGBs and by the time I was it was over. I'm from the Bronx and in the early 80s music was all around for free from Hip Hop, Punk, Reggae and Latin Music. Great stuff all around for free or cheap but I was too young to partake in clubs. By the time I was 21 in 1992 the music scene in NYC was no longer cheap or interesting. In the 80s Billy Idol was a regular at a store/ Deli my then brother in law managed as well as other musicians downtown. I just assumed the scene would be available when I was in College. Bronx had so many bands and performance spaces back in the day, even Irish Bands would perform on Bainbridge Ave clubs around 205st and up to 233 st. You could see the Chieftains, and top Latin and Reggae bands in the same night. I heard from older friends who did so. But I was too young

GustavBahler wrote:Rock is dead for the most part. Hip-hop needs a reset.

Bebop, early Rock/RnB, Punk, early hip hop, gangsta rap, late 80s east coast rap. They were all a reaction to music that some thought had gotten stale.

I would say the same with the current state of hip hop. One culprit is auto-tune. Its really called a Vocoder, and its been around forever. Since the days of Peter Frampton and Roger Troutman. But its used too much as a crutch these days by rappers. Seemed like everyone went that route after Drake.

What Hip-Hop needs IMO is for someone to bring down the temple, so to speak. Start again from scratch like the revolutionary artists of the past. No its not all bad. Kendrick Lamar won a Pulitzer for his work. But he's more of a contemporary Duke Ellington in the way he's elevated the genre. Right now Hip-Hop needs artists who will tear it all down and start again.

Alpha1971 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Rock is dead for the most part. Hip-hop needs a reset.

Bebop, early Rock/RnB, Punk, early hip hop, gangsta rap, late 80s east coast rap. They were all a reaction to music that some thought had gotten stale.

I would say the same with the current state of hip hop. One culprit is auto-tune. Its really called a Vocoder, and its been around forever. Since the days of Peter Frampton and Roger Troutman. But its used too much as a crutch these days by rappers. Seemed like everyone went that route after Drake.

What Hip-Hop needs IMO is for someone to bring down the temple, so to speak. Start again from scratch like the revolutionary artists of the past. No its not all bad. Kendrick Lamar won a Pulitzer for his work. But he's more of a contemporary Duke Ellington in the way he's elevated the genre. Right now Hip-Hop needs artists who will tear it all down and start again.

I grew up in the cradle of hip hop back when I was a kid in the Bronx. Infact, Blondie used to hang out with local rappers at the NY PAL on Webster Ave next to my apartment building on 183 St in Webster Ave before they released " Rapture " but me personally never been a huge rap fan. However, I can't say it's bad today or better before. It's just different today. What I have glorified in the 80s is the vibrancy and variety of music that was readily available in NYC and readily available in inexpensive to enjoy for young people to participate in. However, new technology and streaming makes it easier for many people to produce music that millions enjoy across genres. I don't think kids today can enjoy the variety of acts live like people could have in the 80s. Yet, again today maybe they don't want to go see them in person and prefer to just listen from home or their headphones. Maybe the music available today will be evaluated by future generations as being way better then what we enjoyed as kids. Who knows but the music from the 80s was an excellent sound track for the era. I am glad I had it. The music from the early 70s plain sucked. Inglebert Humperdinck, Tom Jones
Grand Railroad, and some other bands just plain sucked.

Was in high school in Manhattan when "Rapper's Delight" first broke. Liked it at first, but damn did they play it to death back then.

I wasnt sure Hip-Hop would last until I heard "The Breaks".

With the advent of Clear Channel gobbling up all those radio stations in the 90s and early 2000s .They werent real big on music of any kind that challenged the status quo. Music as an agent for change diminished. People lost interest in protest songs, for the most part.

I listen sometimes to new Hip-Hop. Still artists who make great beats, lyrics. But its not much different than the stuff I've heard over the last decade, therein lies the problem IMO.

Alpha1971 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Rock is dead for the most part. Hip-hop needs a reset.

Bebop, early Rock/RnB, Punk, early hip hop, gangsta rap, late 80s east coast rap. They were all a reaction to music that some thought had gotten stale.

I would say the same with the current state of hip hop. One culprit is auto-tune. Its really called a Vocoder, and its been around forever. Since the days of Peter Frampton and Roger Troutman. But its used too much as a crutch these days by rappers. Seemed like everyone went that route after Drake.

What Hip-Hop needs IMO is for someone to bring down the temple, so to speak. Start again from scratch like the revolutionary artists of the past. No its not all bad. Kendrick Lamar won a Pulitzer for his work. But he's more of a contemporary Duke Ellington in the way he's elevated the genre. Right now Hip-Hop needs artists who will tear it all down and start again.

I grew up in the cradle of hip hop back when I was a kid in the Bronx. Infact, Blondie used to hang out with local rappers at the NY PAL on Webster Ave next to my apartment building on 183 St in Webster Ave before they released " Rapture " but me personally never been a huge rap fan. However, I can't say it's bad today or better before. It's just different today. What I have glorified in the 80s is the vibrancy and variety of music that was readily available in NYC and readily available in inexpensive to enjoy for young people to participate in. However, new technology and streaming makes it easier for many people to produce music that millions enjoy across genres. I don't think kids today can enjoy the variety of acts live like people could have in the 80s. Yet, again today maybe they don't want to go see them in person and prefer to just listen from home or their headphones. Maybe the music available today will be evaluated by future generations as being way better then what we enjoyed as kids. Who knows but the music from the 80s was an excellent sound track for the era. I am glad I had it. The music from the early 70s plain sucked. Inglebert Humperdinck, Tom Jones
Grand Railroad, and some other bands just plain sucked.

Was in high school in Manhattan when "Rapper's Delight" first broke. Liked it at first, but damn did they play it to death back then.

I wasnt sure Hip-Hop would last until I heard "The Breaks".

With the advent of Clear Channel gobbling up all those radio stations in the 90s and early 2000s .They werent real big on music of any kind that challenged the status quo. Music as an agent for change diminished. People lost interest in protest songs, for the most part.

I listen sometimes to new Hip-Hop. Still artists who make great beats, lyrics. But its not much different than the stuff I've heard over the last decade, therein lies the problem IMO.

I see you were born around 60-67 ? Man you was born in the sweet spot. Your generation was born at a good time. I was like a grade school kid when rappers delight came out. I recall watching my older cousins and sisters about your age having lots of fun. Also recall lots of my family leaving for the South and the western states from NYC. Despite the 70s and early 80s being somewhat rough the country gave youth more opportunities to branch out. Today our kids don't have too many shots compared to previous generations. It's a weird time for our kids. Society is nuts for them. Your and my generation screwed em over. Their music must reflect their situations but I am not a sociologist to be able to explain how. My daughter was born in 2001 and that generation and later has real quirks

Social anxiety is a real thing and perhaps social media and smart phone access has an effect.
Music is at their finger tips. Where MTV galvanized a generation were kids across the country were seeing the same things and the expansion of malls and the culture made regional dress and trends lessor. By that, national chains in malls selling the same things. Kids in the south dressed similar to kids up north. That was not the case previous.
Malls are nearly dead and online shopping is huge.
Kids are more isolated but more socially linked in an unhealthy way.
Im not so pessimistic about their future. All generations have said similar about theirs vs the present and future.
“The good old days” of music, or social interactions was not always healthy. Pediphiles were kept out of sight, alcoholic parents were tolerated, and priests had their way with the kids and few challanged it. Our sons were groomed for battle in wars we now learn were glorified and we swept the effects under the rug if they made it home.
We were poisioning the rivers and lands way back then also. Rivers actually were so polluted they actually caught fire! (Cayohoga river in Ohio!).

Im not discounting the issues of today, but we forget the issues faced babyboomers both social and political were pretty bad also.