I think the suspension is fair. He broke no laws. This is very different than banishment for Heroin or other repeat abusers of previous drug offense.
This is not domestic violence, or other felony under investigation.
He did not outright break the Gun rules as spelled out by the CBA.
What he did was really **** up. League had to do something otherwise every anti gun group would scream at NBA sponsor/Partners. To do more engages the pro gun activists to do the same. NBA had to find a middle ground to make a lot of people happy and find some point by which Morant effects some type of change to his VISIBLE ACTIVITIES.
His apology was already in the can. They had to also protect the sponsors of league and for Jah. To fight it would be bad for business for everyone, To have it challanged and ban reduced would dilute the message. This seems negotiated to where NBA statement and Jah's was part of it.

As with most things, like when Teens get caught doing bad things they usually get away with far more. Perhaps NBA saw things outside of this but had no legal means go further or perhaps it only works to make Jah look even worse. Who benefits from that? Think about it, why would Silver or the league reduce one of its bright stars, penalize an owner more, and embarrass its sponsor/Partners? He lost 30% of his season. No team meetings, no practice with team. Its not light.
Just an opinion.

Philc1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:"Nalod and morality police".
I have yet to issue any type of opinion. Typical childish deflection when called out.
Yesterday was only had speculation. Today we have tangible facts.

I think the suspension is fair. He broke no laws. This is very different than banishment for Heroin or other repeat abusers of previous drug offense.
This is not domestic violence, or other felony under investigation.
He did not outright break the Gun rules as spelled out by the CBA.
What he did was really **** up. League had to do something otherwise every anti gun group would scream at NBA sponsor/Partners. To do more engages the pro gun activists to do the same. NBA had to find a middle ground to make a lot of people happy and find some point by which Morant effects some type of change to his VISIBLE ACTIVITIES.
His apology was already in the can. They had to also protect the sponsors of league and for Jah. To fight it would be bad for business for everyone, To have it challanged and ban reduced would dilute the message. This seems negotiated to where NBA statement and Jah's was part of it.

As with most things, like when Teens get caught doing bad things they usually get away with far more. Perhaps NBA saw things outside of this but had no legal means go further or perhaps it only works to make Jah look even worse. Who benefits from that? Think about it, why would Silver or the league reduce one of its bright stars, penalize an owner more, and embarrass its sponsor/Partners? He lost 30% of his season. No team meetings, no practice with team. Its not light.
Just an opinion.

Spare me the nonsense. Miles Bridges got only 5 more games for assaulting his wife. Ja hurt nobody. He’s a dumb punk but 25 games is the most he deserved to be suspended

So as far as 'detrimental to the league' I would want to see some proof that engaging in law- abiding activity is detrimental. Maybe the NBA got letters from sponsors threatening they would end contracts. The other argument is that Ja is modeling poor behavior, as if violence is some how connected to Ja's IG account.

I'd also add that the NBA's actions are far more harmful to society than anything Ja did. The two examples being crypto, which the NBA has been happy to accept advertising dollars for to promote what was, at best, a Ponzi scheme and at worst a way for criminal organizations to launder their profits, and their whole hearted embrace of gambling to the point where NBA contracted announcers are required to give their picks on air. As an aside, I don't remember Mike Breen ever making a pick; at least one guy has the integrity and clout to tell the NBA to **** off.

You might want to debate the morality of gambling and crypto vs. guns but we can all agree that their are large segments of the population that see all three as rights adults are allowed to engage in and only one of them is sanctioned by the Constitution.

Far more worrisome is the suicidal idealization of pointing a gun to your head. That's a mental health issue. I'm not a professional, but I'd be really interested in seeing the literature on punishment as a cure for mental health.

In sum, the NBA only has the most nebulous legal and moral authority to suspend Ja. Richard Pryor describes Jim Brown saving him in Live on the Sunset Strip. That kind of approach seems like it would be much more successful.

gradyandrew wrote:I'm with PhilC here. Choking a woman is illegal. Smoking weed (at least when players were suspended for it) is illegal. Gambling is prohibited in contracts. In Tennessee, you are allowed concealed and open carry anywhere, including your car or boat (as long as you legally own the firearm).

So as far as 'detrimental to the league' I would want to see some proof that engaging in law- abiding activity is detrimental. Maybe the NBA got letters from sponsors threatening they would end contracts. The other argument is that Ja is modeling poor behavior, as if violence is some how connected to Ja's IG account.

I'd also add that the NBA's actions are far more harmful to society than anything Ja did. The two examples being crypto, which the NBA has been happy to accept advertising dollars for to promote what was, at best, a Ponzi scheme and at worst a way for criminal organizations to launder their profits, and their whole hearted embrace of gambling to the point where NBA contracted announcers are required to give their picks on air. As an aside, I don't remember Mike Breen ever making a pick; at least one guy has the integrity and clout to tell the NBA to **** off.

You might want to debate the morality of gambling and crypto vs. guns but we can all agree that their are large segments of the population that see all three as rights adults are allowed to engage in and only one of them is sanctioned by the Constitution.

Far more worrisome is the suicidal idealization of pointing a gun to your head. That's a mental health issue. I'm not a professional, but I'd be really interested in seeing the literature on punishment as a cure for mental health.

In sum, the NBA only has the most nebulous legal and moral authority to suspend Ja. Richard Pryor describes Jim Brown saving him in Live on the Sunset Strip. That kind of approach seems like it would be much more successful.

I don't agree with you but appreciate your attempt to explain your position.
Lets get one thing clear, the NBA is not above being called hypocritical. They have in the past. The are corp whores whose goal is to create revenue streams and profit.
There are gray areas here.
Nobody said Jah can't do all his crazy ****, but he signed a contract and accepts the money and fame in the league. A league he willingly HE accepts to be employed by.
He accepts the CBA that shares revenue. He can go flip burgers and play ball at the YMCA. Nobody is locking him up, thus his constitutional right are being upheld. The league suspended him and can. You don't see the other 448 players getting suspended do you? One beat his wife and has legal troubles.
Jah was in the opinion of the league and the Grizz opinion diminishing its brand. Did the union come out and defend him? Did he push back and threaten to sue them back for denying him ability to earn his wage? Not that I can see.

KnickDanger wrote:Why do people keep ignoring it isn’t just the gun? It’s a pattern of behavior. And like it or not legality isn’t the main issue - it’s code of conduct for an employer. Like it or not he is having to answer for his behavior. This is notwithstanding the sins of the corporate NBA. Or society. Just cause and effect. And definitely not about my opinion.

I think this is probably the right way to view the suspension. Sean Beckwith at dead spin.com had a good article where he wrote the heavy punishment was because it was a repeat offense of the same thing he had recently done before. Without dropping the hammer the NBA would have looked powerless. So it wasn't so much about posting with a gun but about a pattern of behavior. NBAPA and Ja have a month to contest and send it to arbitration. We'll see what happens.

Philc1 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:Why do people keep ignoring it isn’t just the gun? It’s a pattern of behavior. And like it or not legality isn’t the main issue - it’s code of conduct for an employer. Like it or not he is having to answer for his behavior. This is notwithstanding the sins of the corporate NBA. Or society. Just cause and effect. And definitely not about my opinion.

The patriots have a player who just tried to bring a loaded firearm with a bump stock on a plane — but at least he didn’t post a video of it on social media amirite?

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:Why do people keep ignoring it isn’t just the gun? It’s a pattern of behavior. And like it or not legality isn’t the main issue - it’s code of conduct for an employer. Like it or not he is having to answer for his behavior. This is notwithstanding the sins of the corporate NBA. Or society. Just cause and effect. And definitely not about my opinion.

The patriots have a player who just tried to bring a loaded firearm with a bump stock on a plane — but at least he didn’t post a video of it on social media amirite?

And this was just days ago. The guy was arrested. No your not right. Not at all the same scenario. 4th round pick is not the face of the franchise and the one of top players in the league who get marketed and in return big endorsement deals. Is he? On a guaranteed 4 year, 4mm deal with all kinds of outs for the patriots.
He not on a video because nobody knows who he is.
And now, he did not flaunt it to the masses AFTER being suspended and was reminded of the consequences after a suspension and was seeking stress and counseling dealing with his life.
Jack Jones tried to bring a gun on to a commercial flight.

This is all overhyped nonsense. Thanks for letting us know you are chugging media kool aid. A NFL player tries to bring a firearm onto a plane no one cares but it’s the end of the world if Ja Morant has a video