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VDesai
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4/24/2023  1:43 PM
It honestly doesnt matter- Hart is gonna play starters minutes the rest of the playoffs. Grimes will play more if he starts the games shooting well, otherwise he'll play a bit role.

IQ is not even getting anywhere close to the mins he was getting in the 2nd half of the season. Once upon a time the question was should IQ start over Grimes.
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4/24/2023  1:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/24/2023  1:50 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:
Nalod wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:There is an argument for it. I think Grimes might actually develop a little faster in that second unit.

Brunson/Hart/Barrett/Randle/Robinson
McBride/IQ/Grimes/Toppin/Hart

Its the same argument for why Barrett might improve in the second unit. There is more floor spacing in the second unit with Hart outside.

Because Grimes has the better three point shooting (allegedly), I think that controls who plays where until the Knicks starting lineup finds its stroke from three.

Going forward thru the series? PLayoffs, or next season?

If series, Depends on where his shoulder is at. If he is 100%, start him. If he hits his shots and defensive assignments, he stays.
last 6 min? I'd say go with who is going good. If StarJay is not so bright, sit him as we have.
Same for Josh if he got thing going.

Next series? Shit, leave that up to Thibs. Who is banged up and matchups matter.
Lets get there first!!!!

Of course it is up to Thibs. But unless he weighs in here on UK, its a boring thread if we don't put in our 2 cents.

There is nothing to discuss while Grimes is injured. After that, there is an argument to let Hart run.

I'm not hard set on one over the other. But Hart has been doing so much on the court, I'm happy for him to see extended minutes.

Grimes was a bit cold in his minutes. I'd stick with what is working for now.

LOL, all true!
Grimes seems like one of the guys thibs says needs minutes to get his rhythm down.
Clev is doing a good job with IQ perhaps putting him in uncomfortable scenarios. Playoff time makes players less "Fearless" and the gravity of the moment might be making him hesitant.

Im not jinxing the threads here and i'll repeat when its up, but I expect Jules sits game 5 in Clev, and perhaps Clev gets one back?
My hope is IQ opens up and has a "happy IQ game" and im totally wrong. Like anyone else Love to see knicks wrap it up and Miami/Bucks go 7, with Miami winning and Jimmy even more banged up.
Then Philly and Boston bloody each up with the winner limping to conf. finals.
Out West Lakers make it to finals but Lebron/Davis held together with tape.
A boy can dream!
Until then this series is not over and I expect Cav's to be desperate wednesday night.
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4/24/2023  3:02 PM
VDesai wrote:I still like Hart coming off the bench and closing. He is an injection of energy. Grimes is our best shooter and a top defender, he deserves to keep starting.

https://www.si.com/nba/2023/04/24/josh-hart-knicks-cavaliers-defense?utm_source=reddit.com

Josh Hart Is Killing the Cavs Softly

None of the contributions were out of the ordinary for Hart, one of the league’s most unusual players. During his regular season with the Knicks, he hit 51.9% of his triples. At 6'6", he’s a fantastic rebounder for his size, particularly on the offensive glass. If you need a sense of how often he’s off to the races from a fastbreak standpoint, consider this: Among players who logged 25 games this season, Hart had both the NBA’s highest and second-highest transition frequency rate (meaning how much of his offense derives from such plays). His transition rate in Portland was a league-high 32.9%, and then he found himself in transition 30.9% of the time, the NBA’s second-highest rate, in 25 games with New York. The Blazers and Knicks scored 117 and 118 points per 100 plays, respectively, when Hart led those scenarios.
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4/24/2023  3:09 PM
Hart is one of the most decisive players I've seen and a great finisher at the rim. When he sees an opening he hits the accelerate button and takes it, and he doesn't often blow layups (he's strong enough to get a lot of and 1's). He generally has a great shot selection and knows what he can do well. I'm usually really surprised when he misses shots.

Knicks have not been efficient at all in the halfcourt, but have been making mince meat of the Cavs in transition and off offensive rebounds. Those are Harts two biggest strengths.
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4/24/2023  5:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/24/2023  5:52 PM
VDesai wrote:Hart is one of the most decisive players I've seen and a great finisher at the rim. When he sees an opening he hits the accelerate button and takes it, and he doesn't often blow layups (he's strong enough to get a lot of and 1's). He generally has a great shot selection and knows what he can do well. I'm usually really surprised when he misses shots.

Knicks have not been efficient at all in the halfcourt, but have been making mince meat of the Cavs in transition and off offensive rebounds. Those are Harts two biggest strengths.

The thing about Hart I like the most is he always makes the right basketball decision. The one exception to that is he tends to turn down open shots a little too much. Whatever the blazers did to him to stop him from shooting open 3's is still in the process of being reversed. He is the perfect player for us. We are the worst in the NBA in amount of transition pts. Hart is a one man transition when he gets the rebound or steal. He always has his head up to pass to Obi if he see's Obi leaking on those situation also.
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4/24/2023  6:14 PM
Start Grimes and make sure he gets some early open 3s, then adjust according to how he's performing. If he's hitting from deep he opens up up the interior for Randle/Brunson/RJ because a team can't collapse on them.

This has basically been what Thibs has done so far this year.

I'm usually upset that Grimes doesn't get open looks. He got them early in the game where he was injured, but didn't convert the opportunities. I have no problems cutting his minutes drastically if he isn't hitting from deep, but he does need open looks.

Unlike some, I seem Grimes as being dependent on Brunson, Randle, and RJ for open 3s...I don't want him going 1/1 & shooting them...But teammates have to be looking to kick it out to him when they are being double and triple teamed. Think of San Antonio Danny Green as a model for Grimes.

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