He is headed to elite status in another year or two...
I hope we extend him as soon as we are able to.

joec32033 wrote:Hate to be the pessimist here. Giving Grimes his flowers on he can shoot, and I've made my opinions on Grimes pretty clear (my opinion hasnt changed). Having said that, no one realistically expects his 53% FG and 46% 3pt percentages to hold up long term, right?

No one does. That's not the relevant part though, right?

Don't know how to square this with you. Lots and lots of advanced stats all suggest Grimes is one of the better POA and/or one-on-one guard defenders in the league, across the whole season.

Every player in the leagues gets burned repeatedly by offensive players, that's just natural. Your eye test will only show you what you want to see?

martin wrote:

joec32033 wrote:Hate to be the pessimist here. Giving Grimes his flowers on he can shoot, and I've made my opinions on Grimes pretty clear (my opinion hasnt changed). Having said that, no one realistically expects his 53% FG and 46% 3pt percentages to hold up long term, right?

No one does. That's not the relevant part though, right?

Don't know how to square this with you. Lots and lots of advanced stats all suggest Grimes is one of the better POA and/or one-on-one guard defenders in the league, across the whole season.

Every player in the leagues gets burned repeatedly by offensive players, that's just natural. Your eye test will only show you what you want to see?

My post had nothing to do with his defense, but since you bought it up yes offensive players do get burned repeatedly. However, your advance stats do not say and my eyes do show me that in key points of games his defense (or thinking, idk which) abandons him. Also, I don't know where advanced stats came in as this chart is basic stats (which BTW I thought was illegal considering whenever straight %'s were sighted for any Barrett argument I made I was told they don't tell the whole story and need advanced metrics)

QR is a decent player. Starting quality. Idk what you want me to say about him. I don't buy he is much better than John Starks, Cuttino Mobley, Sean Elliot...He may make an All star game or two.

But putting All that aside (thanks for opening the door, I guess) and back to what I was posting in response to. His percentages over the past 8 games are great. The other 3 guys on that list are high usage (advanced metrics term!), ball dominant, number 1 players (Klay is technically a 1b I guess) that defenses will key and double to stop. QG will never be someone who gets doubled and is more than not getting his open looks on kickoffs and back drives. And there isn't any shame in that, but it is comparing apples to oranges.

martin wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

martin wrote:

joec32033 wrote:Hate to be the pessimist here. Giving Grimes his flowers on he can shoot, and I've made my opinions on Grimes pretty clear (my opinion hasnt changed). Having said that, no one realistically expects his 53% FG and 46% 3pt percentages to hold up long term, right?

No one does. That's not the relevant part though, right?

Don't know how to square this with you. Lots and lots of advanced stats all suggest Grimes is one of the better POA and/or one-on-one guard defenders in the league, across the whole season.

Every player in the leagues gets burned repeatedly by offensive players, that's just natural. Your eye test will only show you what you want to see?

My post had nothing to do with his defense, but since you bought it up yes offensive players do get burned repeatedly. However, your advance stats do not say and my eyes do show me that in key points of games his defense (or thinking, idk which) abandons him. Also, I don't know where advanced stats came in as this chart is basic stats (which BTW I thought was illegal considering whenever straight %'s were sighted for any Barrett argument I made I was told they don't tell the whole story and need advanced metrics)

QR is a decent player. Starting quality. Idk what you want me to say about him. I don't buy he is much better than John Starks, Cuttino Mobley, Sean Elliot...He may make an All star game or two.

But putting All that aside (thanks for opening the door, I guess) and back to what I was posting in response to. His percentages over the past 8 games are great. The other 3 guys on that list are high usage (advanced metrics term!), ball dominant, number 1 players (Klay is technically a 1b I guess) that defenses will key and double to stop. QG will never be someone who gets doubled and is more than not getting his open looks on kickoffs and back drives. And there isn't any shame in that, but it is comparing apples to oranges.

Right. Your other options re Grimes were about his defense, so I was referring back to those just as you were.

The small sample size gives us a peak at possible stuff he could become, that's exactly how they should be looked at, nothing more.

He has tools and they are really well regarded.

I don't think you are taking in the advanced stats correctly.

I never thought Grimes was anything special offensively. So I was referring back to that as a 15-18 point scorer or so. That was specifically what I was referring but I can see why you went on that direction.

The small sample size can just be a hot streak. Does anyone truly believe he will be even close to a 60% FG, 46% 3pt shooter? No. Currently the best in the league is Kennard at 49% and noone else's over 45%. And the guys you are talking about don't have his defensive responsibilities (my opinion aside he gets hard assignments).

There are no advanced stats here. These are basic stats so I don't know what I am not taking correctly.

But the double standard sucks when I was using percentages in my posts prior and because it was an unpopular opinion I was met with advanced stats rule. Now we are using basic stats to support a popular argument with a popular player and because they are good, hey now basic stats matter?