fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Really bad look from Mitch at this point. Immaturity. Wondering if the Knicks will look to upgrade this summer. But who ?

why? He's not ****ting on a teammate or the org or the coaches... he's venting frustration cause he wants more shots. You would look to trade him over this?

Mitch plays hard. His offense has improved. We literally never EVER throw it into him in the post. Ever.

Not true- RJ passes it all the ****ing time, they're just disguised as missed lay ups and other assorted FGAs.

this is good content. If it wasnt for RJ you know Mitch's FGAs would be like half

I had hope that a real PG would get Mitch a ton of shots- and given his ability to finish, that would be a weapon on the offense.

But it seems like we're just drive and kick. There was a wonderful play where Obi passed the ball off, cut under the basket and iHart found him for the reverse lay up.

It just seems like we don't do a whole lot to get our bigs easy shots.

fishmike wrote:this is fair. Mitch has been here 5 years and never gotten more than 6 FGAs a game. His career FG% is over 70
He's played with RJ for 4 years and watched RJ get 15 shots a game handed to him because he's a lottery pick and the guy is a brick layer.

How about this... lets pass Mitch (and IHart) the phucking ball every now and then? Im not saying make him Embiid... but run a play in the post for him. Geeze. Mitch is 100% right. He's not getting the ball until the guards throw it to him.

I love Thibs and we will see how this plays out. Mitch's beef is fair

I agree to an extent...Would like to see him featured in more PNR's if nothing else. We are down one ball dominate guard and his touches decreased, especially the last two games. Mitch is shooting 70% around the basket so he has a legit beef. Unfortunatly for him, he's playing on a team thats iso-driven with low team assist numbers...

SergioNYK wrote:This really irks me! We're 10 games over .500 you dumb ****! Shut up and play your damn role! You're not Ewing! You can't shoot! Grab rebounds and STFU!

Now is not the time for him to whine...at least wait until the off-season.
Elijah Moore 2.0?

Brunson, Hart, and Randle...maybe Rose, should sit his ass down & set him straight.

I've applied this comment to MR for years, and gotten shot down by some who seem to think centers have no need of developing skills, and are only there on offense for the occasional alley oop...

...Why hasn't Mitch developed any polish around the rim?

A jump hook, or the ability to use the backboard for a <5 ft jumper would increase his value exponentially...

When he gets the ball down low, if he can't dunk, he just seems to throw the ball up, hoping for a good roll. To top it off, you can't trust him from the line.

The only time you use him on offense where he is the scorer is a pick & roll...He simply has no other offensive skills. If Mitch showed any ability on offense, other than the one thing he can do, he would see the ball more.

CleaverGreene wrote:

fishmike wrote:this is fair. Mitch has been here 5 years and never gotten more than 6 FGAs a game. His career FG% is over 70
He's played with RJ for 4 years and watched RJ get 15 shots a game handed to him because he's a lottery pick and the guy is a brick layer.

How about this... lets pass Mitch (and IHart) the phucking ball every now and then? Im not saying make him Embiid... but run a play in the post for him. Geeze. Mitch is 100% right. He's not getting the ball until the guards throw it to him.

I love Thibs and we will see how this plays out. Mitch's beef is fair

What skills has Mitch shown us which make you think he can do anything other than be a recipient of an alley oop pass off a pick and roll, or dunk off an offensive rebound.

With what shot has he shown any form of consistency? Have you ever seen him show any polish in the paint?
Jump hook? 5 foot bank shot? Fall away in the lane? Mid-range J?

He clearly hasn't shown any development with his offensive game...Why entrust him with more responsibility?

He clearly HAS shown and is not a part of the offense when it comes to scoring. He actually got some good looks early in the year. We just stopped passing to him. IDK why

CleaverGreene wrote:
What skills has Mitch shown us which make you think he can do anything other than be a recipient of an alley oop pass off a pick and roll, or dunk off an offensive rebound.

With what shot has he shown any form of consistency? Have you ever seen him show any polish in the paint?
Jump hook? 5 foot bank shot? Fall away in the lane? Mid-range J?

He clearly hasn't shown any development with his offensive game...Why entrust him with more responsibility?

post up, 2 dribbles and Mitch scoring the post

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Really bad look from Mitch at this point. Immaturity. Wondering if the Knicks will look to upgrade this summer. But who ?

why? He's not ****ting on a teammate or the org or the coaches... he's venting frustration cause he wants more shots. You would look to trade him over this?

Mitch plays hard. His offense has improved. We literally never EVER throw it into him in the post. Ever.

His public venting is coming at the wrong time. And it’s indirectly targeting the coaches obviously. We don’t have to trade him, but these aren’t typically the guys you win big with. Everyone has to put the team first. Mitch has never shown any ability in the post. He has no touch. He clearly can’t shoot. He’s below 50% from the line. He has to accept what he’s good at and what he’s not. Maybe he just wants more plays for alley-oops. Fine. But still the wrong time to vent.

Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Really bad look from Mitch at this point. Immaturity. Wondering if the Knicks will look to upgrade this summer. But who ?

why? He's not ****ting on a teammate or the org or the coaches... he's venting frustration cause he wants more shots. You would look to trade him over this?

Mitch plays hard. His offense has improved. We literally never EVER throw it into him in the post. Ever.

His public venting is coming at the wrong time. And it’s indirectly targeting the coaches obviously. We don’t have to trade him, but these aren’t typically the guys you win big with. Everyone has to put the team first. Mitch has never shown any ability in the post. He has no touch. He clearly can’t shoot. He’s below 50% from the line. He has to accept what he’s good at and what he’s not. Maybe he just wants more plays for alley-oops. Fine. But still the wrong time to vent.

Im not talking about feeding him like Ewing. He's not Ewing. But he's not far from Mutumbo and even stone hands Deke go to take some shots in the post.

fishmike wrote:

CleaverGreene wrote:

fishmike wrote:this is fair. Mitch has been here 5 years and never gotten more than 6 FGAs a game. His career FG% is over 70
He's played with RJ for 4 years and watched RJ get 15 shots a game handed to him because he's a lottery pick and the guy is a brick layer.

How about this... lets pass Mitch (and IHart) the phucking ball every now and then? Im not saying make him Embiid... but run a play in the post for him. Geeze. Mitch is 100% right. He's not getting the ball until the guards throw it to him.

I love Thibs and we will see how this plays out. Mitch's beef is fair

What skills has Mitch shown us which make you think he can do anything other than be a recipient of an alley oop pass off a pick and roll, or dunk off an offensive rebound.

With what shot has he shown any form of consistency? Have you ever seen him show any polish in the paint?
Jump hook? 5 foot bank shot? Fall away in the lane? Mid-range J?

He clearly hasn't shown any development with his offensive game...Why entrust him with more responsibility?

about 50 seconds in would be a good example. He's around there all the time. He never gets touches.

He clearly HAS shown and is not a part of the offense when it comes to scoring. He actually got some good looks early in the year. We just stopped passing to him. IDK why

Look at 1:46...He gets an offensive rebound and is just about in the paint, being guarded by somebody much smaller than him. If he had any post up game he would've taken the guy down low. He never even thought of exploiting the size difference.

I'll admit that I have complained about our team's 1/1 isolation tendencies, but then I'm told our offensive rating is one of the best in the league. I think Grimes and others are hurt because Randle, and even Brunson, at times, are putting scoring above passing.

Like Grimes, though, Mitch has to prove that good things happen when he gets the ball and looks to score...So far he hasn't done this.

fishmike wrote:

CleaverGreene wrote:
What skills has Mitch shown us which make you think he can do anything other than be a recipient of an alley oop pass off a pick and roll, or dunk off an offensive rebound.

With what shot has he shown any form of consistency? Have you ever seen him show any polish in the paint?
Jump hook? 5 foot bank shot? Fall away in the lane? Mid-range J?

He clearly hasn't shown any development with his offensive game...Why entrust him with more responsibility?

literally first play of the game.

post up, 2 dribbles and Mitch scoring the post

What moves on offense do we identify Mitch with? Jump hook? That turn-around J in the post you had in another post? A short turn around using the board, like McHale/Walton/Duncan?

When I think of Mitch I think about dunks, and really awkward shots inside, where he shows no concept of how to finish.

You and I know that form, muscle memory, repetitive motions are keys for being a consistent performer. Mitch has not shown me that he has put in the practice needed to show these things in competition.