VDesai wrote:

martin wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:Obi really needs to be much more aggressive. He plays way too passively. Last night perfect example, Knicks had a 3 on 1 break. Obi goes to the left 3 pt line and gets the ball, wide open 3. He hesitates defender comes out , Obi makes a deke towards the basket and then takes a rushed 3pter and misses. He should have taken the original wide open 3 pter. He often gets the ball at the 3 pt line, rarely takes it to the basket and instead just passes it on.

I think this is it for me with Obi. Wasn't he the National Player of the Year? Or at that level in college?

I don't think I've seen that level of accomplishment as a player and then who came into the NBA like he didn't even want to shoot the ball. Crazy

Do you guys realize that 5 out of the last 12 National Players of the year have been on the Knicks?

who are they?

martin wrote:

VDesai wrote:

martin wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:Obi really needs to be much more aggressive. He plays way too passively. Last night perfect example, Knicks had a 3 on 1 break. Obi goes to the left 3 pt line and gets the ball, wide open 3. He hesitates defender comes out , Obi makes a deke towards the basket and then takes a rushed 3pter and misses. He should have taken the original wide open 3 pter. He often gets the ball at the 3 pt line, rarely takes it to the basket and instead just passes it on.

I think this is it for me with Obi. Wasn't he the National Player of the Year? Or at that level in college?

I don't think I've seen that level of accomplishment as a player and then who came into the NBA like he didn't even want to shoot the ball. Crazy

Do you guys realize that 5 out of the last 12 National Players of the year have been on the Knicks?

who are they?

Trey Burke, Jimmer Fredette, Doug McDermott, Jalen Brunson and Obi Toppin.

Nalod wrote:Obi leaking is doing it at the behest of his coaches. If he is defying them he would be sitting.
He is in the corner as well.
Im not into "he my favorite knick" kind of thing and like all our guys. Thus I don't favor one vs another.
I defend Barrett (youth and potential) because I don't get the love for one and yet have to villainize another. Its not that predict his ceiling, I just won't give up on it.
I fully expect one or two of our yoot core {Obi, Barrett, IQ, Deuce and Grimes] gets traded. For whom I dont' know.
In the modern era we simply as fans never had this level of yoothier depth rostered and relevant.

lol for all practical purposes, he is sitting. a lot, to the tune of only playing 14 minutes a game or so

Why wait until 1 loss?

Talk about emotional.

martin wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:Why didn't you create this thread during our 9 game winning streak?

Why wait until 1 loss?

Talk about emotional.

NYKMentality, I don't what you are doing here. But I don't think this is something that is worthwhile.

It's an honest question.

🔹Knicks are just now coming off the 8th longest winning streak within Franchise History (9 wins) dating back to 1946 of 77 years ago.

🔹Knicks of 2022-2023 have became the 1st and only Knicks team (within Franchise History) to ever have two (2) separate 8 game winning streaks (during the same season) since dating back to 1972-1973's Championship Winning Knicks team

But now it's "Obi Toppin is done in New York", and "Obi is as good as gone" and "let's just quit on an extremely talented 24 year old kid Player" etc etc

That's all I'm doing was wondering why this topic of conversation was created immediately after an (9-1). Is it because the sky falls after every loss?

martin wrote:Not for nothing but it seemed like Randle was doing in-game load management, he barely was into it against Charlotte and didn't seem to break a sweat.

He should have sat and Obi should have gotten those minutes.

A bunch of guys looked like hockey players after a long penalty kill that they couldn't change on. They were walking with cement shoes.

Obi was + for us last night, along with McBride - Maybe Thibs should have gone with them for some extended minutes, but I wish Obi could find a way to score.

I'm a fan, and I get that in 14 minutes it's hard to impact the game. But if you have Brunson or Randle for 14 minutes, you would expect them to have impacted the game scoring wise to a bigger degree.

We've seen flashes from Obi - last year, earlier this year.

But it would be best for him to head off with Evan Fournier and maybe a draft pick or two for a more established player. Maybe even with RJ!

But he is looking more like Kevin Knox 2.0.

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:Not for nothing but it seemed like Randle was doing in-game load management, he barely was into it against Charlotte and didn't seem to break a sweat.

He should have sat and Obi should have gotten those minutes.

A bunch of guys looked like hockey players after a long penalty kill that they couldn't change on. They were walking with cement shoes.

Obi was + for us last night, along with McBride - Maybe Thibs should have gone with them for some extended minutes, but I wish Obi could find a way to score.

I'm a fan, and I get that in 14 minutes it's hard to impact the game. But if you have Brunson or Randle for 14 minutes, you would expect them to have impacted the game scoring wise to a bigger degree.

We've seen flashes from Obi - last year, earlier this year.

But it would be best for him to head off with Evan Fournier and maybe a draft pick or two for a more established player. Maybe even with RJ!

But he is looking more like Kevin Knox 2.0.

I would have loved to have seen IQ and Randle sit this game. Let the even younger guys play some stout minutes.

fishmike wrote:man I was so pumped the night we drafted Obi. I really had wildly high expectations. Its also a lesson in getting extra picks and using the draft. Because of IQ it will go down as a great draft as he appears to be a truly ascending playing.

Obi just isnt a good fit here. Its not a system thing, or a usage thing, its an Obi thing. He's finesse player and this is an attack the basket hit the boards and grind type of team and Obi just doesnt fit. Bummer but not every player is going to work out and overall Im very happy with the player development

I think it really is as simple as we drafted Obi to be our PF of the future and didn't plan on Randle making the jump he did his MIP season. We didn't have an identity as of the draft.

The longer this goes on, unfortunately I agree Obi is a square peg in a round hole. I still think he has a bright future, but short of trading Randle, I just don't see the fit here. It really is a shame with how excited he was to be a Knick and how much joy he exerts on a nightly basis.

If we sent Obi to Portland instead of Cam, I believe he'd be blowing up right now.

martin wrote:Not for nothing but it seemed like Randle was doing in-game load management, he barely was into it against Charlotte and didn't seem to break a sweat.

He should have sat and Obi should have gotten those minutes.

Agreed - but Thibs just doesn’t role that way and on occasion it seems he should.

At same time Obi has played soft all year. Hell it took Hart 1 night to earn fans love — Obi needs to make some aggression plays —- something to get Thibs attention or he gone soon.

Nalod wrote:If we drafted IQ 8th instead we'd be happy.
Matt brings up good points about where we were when we drafted him and Randle yet to "break out".
We created an opportunity when we bought in Randle, and one with Obi. One needed to pan out and it did.
I can't imagine OBI not asking for a trade and a chance somewhere else. I hope he gets it.

Yup. Have to look at it as IQ being a lottery value from this draft.