martin wrote:3 big reasons I think IQ will get more from Knicks than we expect.

Without any real look into this, I think he is a gym rat connector: He is a guy who brings the other gym rats to a different level.

Second, his defensive BBallIQ is bonkers and that's what the Knicks value. He is an on-court leader at this end from a guard position.

Third, while not the smoothest PG-type, he brings that invaluable skill and is still growing in that area.

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This is a well coached bunch of good ball players. Maybe not stars but we got 5-6 straight up ballers and 3-4 dogs to back them up

He's top 25 among guards in win shares/ 48 and his next contract will be the prime years of his career. Someone will make him a big offer.

Im a big fan of Grimes, but he's been showing that he isnt ready for "prime time", as in starting. His minutes are way down since JHart's arrival. Im seeing more PG in Grimes's game, with every game.

gradyandrew wrote:Not sure if IQ signs an extension this summer. It probably makes more sense to hit RFA and see if he can land a bigger deal. Advanced metrics love him and if he just maintains his efficiency, there might be a team looking to play him 36 minutes a night and pay him 30 million a year.

He's top 25 among guards in win shares/ 48 and his next contract will be the prime years of his career. Someone will make him a big offer.

I don't know how players think about it but if someone tells you they will guarantee $80+M to you RIGHT NOW or you have to risk all sorts of things for a year.... thought process may be different.

It's been a long time since we've dealt with signing our our draft picks to extensions beyond their rookie deals, so this is a very unnatural feeling for most Knick fans. But consider a scenario where, let's say, Quickley, Obi, Grimes really kill it next year (let's say, average 15ppg on 50% shooting, 40% 3s, 80% FT, look like legit 2-way defenders, and all they need is 5-10 more minutes per game to look like legit all-star contenders).

It means 1) you probably have a really good team and 2) in terms of the future, as the management team, you can choose to go WAAAY over the cap give all of them max deals if that's what it takes to keep them in Knick uniforms.

That option is there for you. And once you're over the cap, you can still continue to draft and develop. I mean, this is the NBA's ideal state for the fans - as you build loyalty to your young'uns.

The reality of course is that few players turn into all-stars (As good as Josh Hart has been, a lot right would need to happen for him to sniff an all-star berth or max contract).

Players also have choices to make - it's not all about money. Jordan Poole could have gone to another team to become a legit all-star contender and run his own team. But he had to be sold on the idea that Steph and Klay are aging and that 2-3 years down the line, it'll be his team. And in the meantime, he'd play as a key spot starter/super sub and earn a lot of money regardless. Some players will choose like him. Others will insist they have more opportunity elsewhere.

Based on how the Knick use him, Obi's kind of like a $5-8m/yr replacement player. The Knicks can overpay him as insurance in case Randle breaks down. But If Obi were on another team, I think we can look at Aaron Gordon's success in Denver for an idea of what he could do if given real responsibility and starter-like minutes. (Gordon's on a $87m/4yr deal)

So back to Quickley, sure. I'm fine if he gets paid. I'm fine if all of our players get paid if they're all productive and the Knicks have a winning, title contending product.

But unlike prior regimes, we can no longer be in the mindset of fan-managing cap for free agency. We are investing in developing our young players and fortunately, we're getting nice results. We enjoy ~4 years of low priced contracts, then it evens out when they get an extension.

martin wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:Not sure if IQ signs an extension this summer. It probably makes more sense to hit RFA and see if he can land a bigger deal. Advanced metrics love him and if he just maintains his efficiency, there might be a team looking to play him 36 minutes a night and pay him 30 million a year.

He's top 25 among guards in win shares/ 48 and his next contract will be the prime years of his career. Someone will make him a big offer.

I don't know how players think about it but if someone tells you they will guarantee $80+M to you RIGHT NOW or you have to risk all sorts of things for a year.... thought process may be different.

Depends on the player. FVV had the bet on himself mentality. Brunson was will to sign a $55M extension with the Mavs (good thing he didn't) before he his FA. If I'm IQs agent, I'm telling him to hold off, but I have no idea what IQ's situation is.