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HofstraBBall
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2/15/2023  2:46 PM
NYKMentality wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:This is a must win game.

It is a must win game in regards to...

Would you rather be only 1.5 games ahead of Atlanta in the Standings (loss) before heading into All-Star weekend?

Or.

Would you rather be up 3.5 games ahead of Atlanta in the Standings before heading into All-Star weekend?

1.5 vs. 3.5 imo is a big difference in regards to breathing room.

And the real reason why it's a must win (imo) is because the likes of Cleveland/Philadelphia and Miami/Brooklyn all play one another tonight.

Beat ATL and we'll A.) Gain 1 game on multiple teams and B.) Not fall behind in the standings by 1 game to multiple teams.

Okay so maybe it's not a "must win game"

But man oh man is this game extremely important (if we've got dreams of a top 3-4 seed).

We are crazy fans. Every game is a must win.

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2/15/2023  3:49 PM
honestly every game is very important and here's why... This is the team. Mitch will come back and that will really help and we have been > .500 (barely) without him and that's great, but when he's back it doesnt change who we are.

So now that we know the team, we know the rotation, we know the style of play, we know the sets, we know the end of game strategy so does the rest of the league and now have a nice stretch of games to really take a look at this group and if they can win games and continue to get better.

Thibs in the mental toughness old school trust your guys school of coaching. It works for him. Players play hard. We have seen young guys get better under him. We have seen vets get better under him.

I really do think (to echo coach speak) this remaining stretch and every game in it is going to be a test of how good this squad is. I love that we dont need to hit 3s to win, and when Thibs says "if we are around league average we are good" what he really means is if we are hitting that average you are phucked. We dont turn it over. We pound the glass. We defend. We take good shots. We got fresh legs

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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2/15/2023  3:57 PM
it's pretty bonkers the Knicks didn't need to mortgage picks and players to get their guy

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2/15/2023  4:00 PM
fishmike wrote:honestly every game is very important and here's why... This is the team. Mitch will come back and that will really help and we have been > .500 (barely) without him and that's great, but when he's back it doesnt change who we are.

So now that we know the team, we know the rotation, we know the style of play, we know the sets, we know the end of game strategy so does the rest of the league and now have a nice stretch of games to really take a look at this group and if they can win games and continue to get better.

Thibs in the mental toughness old school trust your guys school of coaching. It works for him. Players play hard. We have seen young guys get better under him. We have seen vets get better under him.

I really do think (to echo coach speak) this remaining stretch and every game in it is going to be a test of how good this squad is. I love that we dont need to hit 3s to win, and when Thibs says "if we are around league average we are good" what he really means is if we are hitting that average you are phucked. We dont turn it over. We pound the glass. We defend. We take good shots. We got fresh legs

What will be learn if the Knicks win 13 important games and lose 10 important games?
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2/15/2023  5:19 PM
martin wrote:it's pretty bonkers the Knicks didn't need to mortgage picks and players to get their guy

I strongly, agree.

Jalen Brunson and Julius Randle @ only 26/28 are two of the very best NBA Free Agent additions within the entire league (regardless of which Franchise) and both look like Cornerstone Players to build your team-around (long-term).

And I don't think this Knicks-Take is me just being my typical homer self either.
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2/15/2023  6:20 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
fishmike wrote:honestly every game is very important and here's why... This is the team. Mitch will come back and that will really help and we have been > .500 (barely) without him and that's great, but when he's back it doesnt change who we are.

So now that we know the team, we know the rotation, we know the style of play, we know the sets, we know the end of game strategy so does the rest of the league and now have a nice stretch of games to really take a look at this group and if they can win games and continue to get better.

Thibs in the mental toughness old school trust your guys school of coaching. It works for him. Players play hard. We have seen young guys get better under him. We have seen vets get better under him.

I really do think (to echo coach speak) this remaining stretch and every game in it is going to be a test of how good this squad is. I love that we dont need to hit 3s to win, and when Thibs says "if we are around league average we are good" what he really means is if we are hitting that average you are phucked. We dont turn it over. We pound the glass. We defend. We take good shots. We got fresh legs

What will be learn if the Knicks win 13 important games and lose 10 important games?


show the box scores, analytics, highlights, crunch time possessions, +/- by group and who was available for those 13 wins and 10 losses and I'll give you some things we will learn
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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2/15/2023  6:24 PM 

Player               GP     MPG    Pts   Reb    Ast   Stl   Blk
----------------    ---   -----   ----  ----   ----  ----  ----
J. Randle            59   35:53   24.7  10.8    4.2   0.7   0.3
J. Brunson           55   35:02   23.9   3.5    6.2   0.9   0.3
R. Barrett           52   34:33   19.8   5.2    2.8   0.5   0.2
J. Hart               2   26:47   19.0   5.5    3.0   2.5     -
I. Quickley          58   27:48   12.6   4.0    3.2   0.8   0.1
Q. Grimes            48   30:19   10.2   3.4    1.9   0.7   0.4
M. Robinson          38   26:54    7.2   8.9    1.0   0.9   1.8
E. Fournier          23   18:00    6.8   2.0    1.5   0.6   0.1
O. Toppin            44   14:54    6.3   3.1    0.9   0.3   0.2
D. Rose              26   12:54    5.8   1.5    1.8   0.3   0.2
I. Hartenstein       59   19:35    5.2   6.5    0.9   0.6   0.8
J. Sims              46   16:12    3.7   4.9    0.5   0.3   0.6
M. McBride           46   12:51    3.5   0.9    1.2   0.6     -
Player               GP     MPG    Pts   Reb    Ast   Stl   Blk
----------------    ---   -----   ----  ----   ----  ----  ----
T. Young             51   35:29   26.9   3.0   10.2     1   0.2
D. Murray            53   36:35   21.0   5.5    6.1   1.6   0.3
D. Hunter            48   32:03   15.8   4.4    1.4   0.6   0.2
B. Bogdanovic        33   30:02   14.8   3.4      3   0.8   0.3
J. Collins           49   31:17   13.3   7.2    1.3   0.7   1.2
C. Capela            42   26:55   12.2  11.4    0.8   0.7   1.2
S. Bey                1   20:46   12.0   5.0      -     -   1.0
O. Okongwu           56   24:03    9.4   7.4      1   0.7   1.3
A. Griffin           54   20:30    9.3   2.1      1   0.7   0.1
J. Johnson           54   14:34    5.3   3.9    0.9   0.5   0.4
A. Holiday           49   14:39    4.3   1.3    1.3   0.6   0.2
V. Krejci            20   05:50    1.3   0.7    0.6   0.1   0.1
Oh good lord... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XkmGrX7O0lQ
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2/15/2023  6:28 PM
Milwaukee and San Antonio with impressive streaks.


      EAST              W    L     PCT     GB    HOME    AWAY     PPG    OPPG   DIFF  STRK    L10
      --------         --   --   -----   ----   -----   -----   -----   -----   ----  ----   ----
1     Boston           41   17   .707%      -    23-7   18-10   117.7   111.8    5.9    L1    6-4  
2     Milwaukee        40   17   .702%    0.5    24-5   16-12   114.9   111.8    3.1   W11   10-0  
3     Philadelphia     37   19   .661%      3    22-8   15-11   114.3   110.4    3.9    W3    7-3  
4     Cleveland        38   22   .633%      4    25-6   13-16   111.8   105.9    5.8    W7    8-2  
5     Brooklyn         33   24   .579%    7.5   17-11   16-13   114.0   112.4    1.6    L2    4-6  
6     Miami            32   26   .552%      9   19-10   13-16   108.4   108.2    0.2    L1    6-4  
7     New York         32   27   .542%    9.5   16-15   16-12   114.4   112.5    1.9    W2    6-4  
8     Atlanta          29   29   .500%     12   15-11   14-18   116.7   116.7    0.0    L1    5-5  
9     Toronto          28   31   .475%   13.5   18-13   10-18   113.3   112.5    0.9    W2    6-4  
10    Washington       27   30   .474%   13.5   14-12   13-18   113.6   113.5    0.2    W1    6-4  
11    Chicago          26   31   .456%   14.5   16-12   10-19   113.3   113.3   -0.0    L4    4-6  
12    Indiana          25   34   .424%   16.5   17-14    8-20   114.5   117.2   -2.7    L5    1-9  
13    Orlando          24   35   .407%   17.5   14-15   10-20   110.9   113.7   -2.8    L1    5-5  
14    Charlotte        16   43   .271%   25.5    8-18    8-25   112.4   119.1   -6.7    W1    3-7  
15    Detroit          15   43   .259%     26    8-21    7-22   112.3   119.7   -7.4    L1    3-7  
      WEST              W    L     PCT     GB    HOME    AWAY     PPG    OPPG   DIFF  STRK    L10
      --------         --   --   -----   ----   -----   -----   -----   -----   ----  ----   ----
1     Denver           40   18   .690%      -    26-4   14-14   117.1   112.8    4.3    W2    6-4  
2     Memphis          34   22   .607%      5    23-5   11-17   116.1   112.2    3.9    L1    3-7  
3     Sacramento       32   25   .561%    7.5   17-12   15-13   119.5   117.2    2.3    L1    5-5  
4     Phoenix          32   27   .542%    8.5    20-9   12-18   112.8   111.2    1.5    W2    7-3  
5     L.A. Clippers    32   28   .533%      9   15-13   17-15   111.4   111.2    0.2    W1    6-4  
6     Dallas           31   28   .525%    9.5   19-10   12-18   113.1   112.4    0.6    L2    6-4  
7     New Orleans      30   28   .517%     10   20-10   10-18   115.1   113.4    1.7    W1    4-6  
8     Minnesota        31   29   .517%     10   20-12   11-17   115.9   115.8    0.1    W1    6-4  
9     Golden State     29   29   .500%     11    22-7    7-22   118.6   118.5    0.1    L1    5-5  
10    Utah             29   30   .492%   11.5   18-12   11-18   117.7   117.2    0.4    W1    5-5  
11    Portland         28   30   .483%     12   16-14   12-16   114.9   115.0   -0.2    L1    5-5  
12    Oklahoma City    27   29   .482%     12   16-12   11-17   117.6   116.6    1.0    L1    5-5  
13    L.A. Lakers      26   32   .448%     14   13-14   13-18   117.0   118.4   -1.5    L1    4-6  
14    San Antonio      14   44   .241%     26    9-21    5-23   112.5   122.7  -10.2   L13   0-10  
15    Houston          13   44   .228%   26.5    8-20    5-24   110.0   117.9   -7.9    L6    2-8
Oh good lord... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XkmGrX7O0lQ
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2/15/2023  6:31 PM
fishmike wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
fishmike wrote:honestly every game is very important and here's why... This is the team. Mitch will come back and that will really help and we have been > .500 (barely) without him and that's great, but when he's back it doesnt change who we are.

So now that we know the team, we know the rotation, we know the style of play, we know the sets, we know the end of game strategy so does the rest of the league and now have a nice stretch of games to really take a look at this group and if they can win games and continue to get better.

Thibs in the mental toughness old school trust your guys school of coaching. It works for him. Players play hard. We have seen young guys get better under him. We have seen vets get better under him.

I really do think (to echo coach speak) this remaining stretch and every game in it is going to be a test of how good this squad is. I love that we dont need to hit 3s to win, and when Thibs says "if we are around league average we are good" what he really means is if we are hitting that average you are phucked. We dont turn it over. We pound the glass. We defend. We take good shots. We got fresh legs

What will be learn if the Knicks win 13 important games and lose 10 important games?


show the box scores, analytics, highlights, crunch time possessions, +/- by group and who was available for those 13 wins and 10 losses and I'll give you some things we will learn

How about we just wait until all 23 are played and then analyze the trends in the big picture, rather than piece by piece?
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2/15/2023  6:37 PM
Obviously Knicks winning tonight is most important but hypothetically speaking, say we do win tonight....

PRE-GAME QUESTION FOR EVERYONE

Who are we rooting for tonight?

5th seed Brooklyn Nets (33-24).
Vs.
6th seed Miami Heat (32-26).

(Assuming the Knicks win tonight).

Is it better to root for a Brooklyn win in order to pass Miami for the 6th seed while remaining 2.0 games back of Brooklyn for the 5 seed?

Or.

Is it better to root for a Miami win in order to remain 1/2 game back of Miami for the 6 seed but yet only 1.0 back of Brooklyn for the 5 seed?

Who the heck do we want to see lose more tonight before heading All-Star weekend?
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2/15/2023  6:46 PM
NYKMentality wrote:Obviously Knicks winning tonight is most important but hypothetically speaking, say we do win tonight....

PRE-GAME QUESTION FOR EVERYONE

Who are we rooting for tonight?

5th seed Brooklyn Nets (33-24).
Vs.
6th seed Miami Heat (32-26).

(Assuming the Knicks win tonight).

Is it better to root for a Brooklyn win in order to pass Miami for the 6th seed while remaining 2.0 games back of Brooklyn for the 5 seed?

Or.

Is it better to root for a Miami win in order to remain 1/2 game back of Miami for the 6 seed but yet only 1.0 back of Brooklyn for the 5 seed?

Who the heck do we want to see lose more tonight before heading All-Star weekend?

Easy. Heat.

Knicks have three games left and are 1-0.

Beat them 2 of three and you gain 3 games (due to the tie-breaker). In other words, Knicks can take care of their own Heat business.

Knicks have 1 game left with Nets and 2 games back. They need outside help.

Pretty straightforward.
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2/15/2023  7:22 PM
Three Knicks headed to Salt Lake tonight. Trae heading home. So sad
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2/15/2023  7:29 PM
Oh shoot we’re dogs tonight. What the actual F?
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2/15/2023  7:38 PM
Game time let's go!
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2/15/2023  7:43 PM
I'm going to humble myself for this game thread.

Usually I come into games wanting to see a blowout by 20+ points.

But not tonight. Ever since 2020-2021 beat down these ATL Hawks have always scared me;

I'll be thrilled with just a 1 point win.
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2/15/2023  7:49 PM
Julius (my favorite All-Star) Randle already red hot and on 🔥🔥🔥 8 Points 3/3!
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2/15/2023  7:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/15/2023  7:51 PM
Randle!!
For guys that say he can't do it in the 4th. Guess good starts are not important.
Something he does for us just about EVERY game.
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2/15/2023  7:52 PM
RJ can finish.
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Randle has to take that strong.
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2/15/2023  7:54 PM
MaTT4281 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
fishmike wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Grimes vs. Murray is the matchup that interests me.

RJ is playing better in the 4th. Hope to see a better start.

yeah he's not gonna be around in the 4th much longer if he doesnt get over his "disregard that 2-9 first half, Im gonna heat up later" schtick

RJ has closing skills. More important to me than a hot start. But you're right that RJ isnt doing enough in the 4th to obscure the poor starts.

So did Tim Thomas. I have higher hopes for RJ...but those hopes have been waning for longer than I'm comfortable with. I think we're all in agreement (even the RJ fanboys - of which I'm a part of), RJ has to do better. Otherwise we run some combo of Quick/Grimes/Hart at the 2/3.

Timmy played a role in a playoff run for another team, cant remember which one. Anyway it was good enough to get a big payday from the Clips.

Hope RJ doesnt play poorly enough to make benching a consideration for Thibs. Dont believe we've reached that point.
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